TSBD employees: who of them helped or were the assassin(s)?

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Re: TSBD employees: who of them helped or were the assassin(s)?

Postby Frenchy » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:22 pm

I will try answering your questions Christoph;

1 Yes

2 No i believe at least two shots were fired from the sixth floor

3 Yes they shot

4 I think the shooter and spotter was given help up to the sixth floor and back down

5 The three men on the fifth floor were probabley too scared to go up to the sixth floor

6 Same as answer 5

7 Thats a good reason Christoph

8 I dont think Oswald hid the rifle, someone else hid the rifle

9 They wanted someone up there who looked a bit like Oswald, so he could be picked out of a line up

10 In the parking lot mixing in with other people, waiting for his getaway ride

11 Im not sure about that one
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Re: TSBD employees: who of them helped or were the assassin(s)?

Postby kenmurray » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:35 pm

Rewriting History: Bugliosi Parses The Testimony:

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.p ... _Testimony
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Re: TSBD employees: who of them helped or were the assassin(s)?

Postby Frenchy » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:00 pm

? Ken
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Re: TSBD employees: who of them helped or were the assassin(s)?

Postby kenmurray » Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:34 pm

Frenchy wrote:? Ken


Yes Frenchy?
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Re: TSBD employees: who of them helped or were the assassin(s)?

Postby ChristophMessner » Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:08 am

Thanks, Frenchy, for your well-thought answers, they make a lot of sense to me.
If I only would know what the controller really whispered into Oswald's ears!
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Role of bangmakers

Postby Phil Dragoo » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:24 am

Christoph

3. Did the bang-makers on the 6th floor really shoot or only impersonate?

Consider whether a shooter in the southwest sixth hit Connally--it was a right-to-left trajectory.

Count the possible rear shots: Kennedy's back 5-3/4 down from the shirt collar, 5-3/8 down from the jacket collar, to the right of midline, coursing down, probed for two inches, did not transit;

Kennedy's back of head--a split second before the shot to his right temple;

Tague, missed, shot number four from the rear;

Windshield trim, shot number five.

And from the front: throat--the size of a .22 per John Ritchson: http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v3n2/v3n2ritchson1.pdf;

To Kennedy's right temple--by Jimmy Files--with his Remington XP-100 and a mercury round causing the galaxy of artifacts high in the Right/Left skull X-ray, causing the occipital avuncular wound exuding cerebellar tissue witnessed by forty people in Dealey Plaza, at Parkland, at Bethesda;

Other bullets retrieved from the grass on the south side of Elm by agents.

Oswald's magic bullets outperform Russian and Chinese Multiple Re-entry Vehicle (MIRV) ICBMs, able to perform more aerobatics than the U.S. Navy Blue Angels or the U.S. Airforce Thunderbirds.

Also, there may have been a shooter in the Dal-Tex Building.

And was there not also found evidence of a sabot in a casing found on the roof of the County Records Building in the '70's. I saw it in Marrs:

Marrs writes on 317:


Dean Morgan of Lewisville (a suburb of Dallas) told Texas researchers
that in 1975 his father was working on air-conditioning equipment on the
roof of the Dallas County Records Building located just catercorner from
the Texas School Book Depository. The Records Building's west side faces
onto Dealey Plaza and there is a waist-high parapet along the edge of its
roof.

According to Morgan, his father discovered a 30.06-caliber shell casing lying
under a lip of roofing tar at the base of the roof's parapet on the side facing
Dealey Plaza while searching for water leaks.

The shell casing is dated 1953 and marks indicate it was manufactured at
the Twin Cities Arsenal. One side has been pitted by exposure to the
weather, indicating it lay on the roof for a long time. The casing, which remains
in Morgan's possession, has an odd crimp around its neck.

Rifle experts have explained to Morgan that this is evidence that a sabot
may have been used to fire ammunition from a 30.06 rifle. A sabot is a plastic
sleeve that allows a larger-caliber weapon to fire a smaller-caliber slug.
The results of using a lighter-weight slug include increased velocity producing
more accuracy and greater striking power. And the smaller slug exhibits
the ballistics of the weapon it was originally fired from, rather than, in this
case, the 30.06, as the sabot engages the 30.06's rifling.98


But, yes, the role of the bangmakers was primarily to finger the patsy--the first shot was described as a firecracker--and that medium velocity toy gun had the distinctive Wiley Coyote Acme Fireworks sound.

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Re: Role of bangmakers

Postby ChristophMessner » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:26 am

Phil, thanks a lot for your thorough co-thinking, too!

Phil Dragoo wrote:Christoph
3. Did the bang-makers on the 6th floor really shoot or only impersonate?
Consider whether a shooter in the southwest sixth hit Connally--it was a right-to-left trajectory.

That's right, but the LNTs still argue about the SBT, cause obviously nobody confirmes having heard a shot from the west-window.
Phil Dragoo wrote:Count the possible rear shots: Kennedy's back 5-3/4 down from the shirt collar, 5-3/8 down from the jacket collar, to the right of midline, coursing down, probed for two inches, did not transit;

That's correct, but the LNTs argue how the backwound bullet could have just disappeared.
Phil Dragoo wrote:Kennedy's back of head--a split second before the shot to his right temple;

Tague, missed, shot number four from the rear;

Windshield trim, shot number five.

And from the front: throat--the size of a .22 per John Ritchson: http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v3n2/v3n2ritchson1.pdf;

Throat wound could not have been an entry wound, cause there is no exit wound in that soft flesh area. Or did it stuck in the spine?
If the SBT would be true, you couldn't count the Tague shot as number four, but still as number three.
All in all the manhole cover bullet searchers, the bullet hitting the street as witness Mrs Baker observed plus the windshield frame dent plus crack make me convinced that there were indeed more than 3 shots. The SBT is trash anyway ... but try to convince the LNTs of that!
Phil Dragoo wrote:To Kennedy's right temple--by Jimmy Files--with his Remington XP-100 and a mercury round causing the galaxy of artifacts high in the Right/Left skull X-ray, causing the occipital avuncular wound exuding cerebellar tissue witnessed by forty people in Dealey Plaza, at Parkland, at Bethesda;

There is one problem with the trajectory from the James Files position. From there it almost hits the skull perpendicular, so there must have been a left-side-exit damage to the skull, but it wasn't and therefore the frangible bullet must have been deflected considerably.
Phil Dragoo wrote:Other bullets retrieved from the grass on the south side of Elm by agents.
Let's say bullet, singular! More decisive is, that the Brehm fragment flew in the trajectory from James Files to the left rear and that motorcyclist Hargis was hit by hard "things".
Phil Dragoo wrote:Oswald's magic bullets outperform Russian and Chinese Multiple Re-entry Vehicle (MIRV) ICBMs, able to perform more aerobatics than the U.S. Navy Blue Angels or the U.S. Airforce Thunderbirds.
You have my say, Phil, you have my say!
Phil Dragoo wrote:Also, there may have been a shooter in the Dal-Tex Building.
It's suspicious on itself, how much they "investigated" the TSBD with it's pre-placed weapons and "overlooked" the DalTex! I wonder whether policeman Mooney or Decker shot the firecracker impersonator bangs themselves ....
All in all I don't believe that real hitmen were in the TSBD, cause the risk of detection and being surprised by employees and given away by them later is too high. You could make the employees willing to cooperate without risk only, if you would tell them: "Hey 2 secret service men will come up and help protecting the president, you help them with the elevators, but remain secret about it afterwards, got me!"
Phil Dragoo wrote:And was there not also found evidence of a sabot in a casing found on the roof of the County Records Building in the '70's. I saw it in Marrs:

Marrs writes on 317:
Dean Morgan of Lewisville (a suburb of Dallas) told Texas researchers
that in 1975 his father was working on air-conditioning equipment on the
roof of the Dallas County Records Building located just catercorner from
the Texas School Book Depository. The Records Building's west side faces
onto Dealey Plaza and there is a waist-high parapet along the edge of its
roof.

According to Morgan, his father discovered a 30.06-caliber shell casing lying
under a lip of roofing tar at the base of the roof's parapet on the side facing
Dealey Plaza while searching for water leaks.

The shell casing is dated 1953 and marks indicate it was manufactured at
the Twin Cities Arsenal. One side has been pitted by exposure to the
weather, indicating it lay on the roof for a long time. The casing, which remains
in Morgan's possession, has an odd crimp around its neck.

Rifle experts have explained to Morgan that this is evidence that a sabot
may have been used to fire ammunition from a 30.06 rifle. A sabot is a plastic
sleeve that allows a larger-caliber weapon to fire a smaller-caliber slug.
The results of using a lighter-weight slug include increased velocity producing
more accuracy and greater striking power. And the smaller slug exhibits
the ballistics of the weapon it was originally fired from, rather than, in this
case, the 30.06, as the sabot engages the 30.06's rifling.98


Well this might be true, but you can't call it evidence as long as you don't see photos of them finding it there and securing the fingerprints of Frank Sturgis on it.
Phil Dragoo wrote:But, yes, the role of the bangmakers was primarily to finger the patsy--the first shot was described as a firecracker--and that medium velocity toy gun had the distinctive Wiley Coyote Acme Fireworks sound.
Next week, Silencers

Mike Williams, who claims himself expert on rifle ballistics on jfkassassinationforum.com, says, that even with silencers on the rifle still makes 100 db of noise, that's pretty audible and therefore any shot from the DalTex must have been heard, but it wasn't. ???
It's fascinating how thoroughly William Fritz has interrogated and kept Jim Braden and the girls in the window of the DalTex and the 3 tramps in his DPCP (Dallas Police Corruption Departement)!
But more probably the blackest guy in this game was Sheriff Decker ...
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Re: TSBD employees: who of them helped or were the assassin(s)?

Postby Frenchy » Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:26 am

Its ok Ken, i just didnt get your reply at first.
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Re: TSBD employees: who of them helped or were the assassin(s)?

Postby Dealey Joe » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:17 am

Question?
what is the deal on this pool of blood i keep hearing about.

Fact:
we now have another DAllas member of the LCAP unit... Porter Lee Bledsoe
attended Georgetown University School of Foreign Service and probable FBI/CIA assett.

How about this Oswald loooking guy right on the lawn?

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Re: TSBD employees: who of them helped or were the assassin(s)?

Postby ChristophMessner » Sat May 08, 2010 1:44 pm

Ken,
was Frazier in on the plot by helping cutting off the elevator from the basement in the right time and did he invent the Oswald-brought-paper-bag-into-TSBD-story? I'm refering to the brilliant essay of Mr. Gilbride ...
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