Have other assassins besides James Files been identified?

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Postby Andre Murel » Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:58 am

dankbaar wrote:
Andre Murel wrote:Is there a visual overview to go with the shooters?
I mean something like a map where the shooters were located?


Andre



http://jfkmurdersolved.com/dpmap63.htm


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Throat Wound

Postby LiAnn Simpson » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:45 pm

OK, guys my theory is that there had to be a shooter on the freeway overpass as well. Kennedy's throat wound that went right through his tie knot was designated as a wound of entry (quite small unlike the autopsy photo). Could it also have been the bullet that went thru the windshield first that hit him? Has anyone checked the trajectory of that? I don't know exactly where the bullet went in on the front windshield.
When I look at the trajectory on Google Earth, it seems that for a bullet to go straight thru either the windshield or hit kennedy square on in the throat it would have to have been fired from the freeway overpass.
Check out Dealey Plaza on Google Earth! It is a free download.
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Postby Ian Irving » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:11 pm

LiAnn, I would like to back you up on that theory. My idea is that the throat wound entry shot came through the windshield from a location in front of the car, at a relatively low angle. I also think that this may be why ear-witnesses reported a sound like a firecracker - a windshield splintering as a bullet passed through could well sound like a firecracker (though having never fired a bullet through a windshield what would I know??).
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Postby LiAnn Simpson » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:51 pm

Ian, you are exactly right! I just remembered a kid shot a pellet gun thru our garage window one time and it made the same sound! Like a whip cracking or a firecracker. Is it any wonder the limo was gotten out of town so quickly? They are still in denial that there was ever a bullet hole in it, ok, then where's the proof that it wasn't there?? Gotten rid of quickly, just like the President's brain, Oswald, the curbstone damage from the bullet that hit James Tague, and many of the eyewitnesses. Mr. Bugliosi, are you listening??? I have nowhere close to the intelligence it takes to solve crimes like this but even I can figure this one out!!!!
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Response To Ms. LiAnn Simpson and Mr. Ian Irving:

Postby Bruce Patrick Brychek » Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:29 pm

Dear Ms. LiAnn Simpson and Mr. Ian Irving, and Fellow JFK Members,

There was no bullet hole through the front window of JFK'S automobile. The exit wounds from JFK'S head and face merely cracked the front windshield. I have seen the pictures of the windshield. There is no bullet hole. The car was cleaned to remove JFK'S blood and brains that proved that he was hit from the Grassy Knoll. These pictures have also been previously posted on the JFK Forum.

JFK was not shot in the throat.

The hole in JFK'S throat was an exit wound from Jimmy's Mercury Tipped
Hollow Point fired from his Remington Fireball, along with the other exit wounds through JFK'S face that had to be filled in with wax. I previously also posted this over 4 - 5 years ago on the JFK Forum after a lunch meeting with Jimmy.

This was all previously discussed on the JFK Forum by myself, and Wim Dankbaar. Wim originally disagreed with Jimmy and myself about the exit wound. However, Wim has changed his position on this issue. You will see that Wim disagreed with me when the book Files on JFK was originally published. But then, changed his position.

A bullet could not go through the front widshield, because of the angle, and the temprament of the glass.

Even if the bullet went through the windshield it would have been flattened, and could not have made a small entry wound. It would have made a very large entry wound.

And if a bullet went through the window, and JFK'S throat, where is the exit wound from the throat ? Throat wounds are to one of the softest, smallest area of the body, and can not stop bullets from complete penetration.

This is all on the JFK Forum.

Respectfully,
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Postby LiAnn Simpson » Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:19 pm

With all due respect, Mr. Brychek, all of the posts here are "theories" and nothing more, including yours and Wim's. I have the greatest respect for Wim and everyone on here, but not one of us has an "up" on anyone else. Granted, some of us have not been in the JFK research arena as long as others, but length of study does not necessarily equate to accuracy of theory. As a famous person once said, We are entitled to our own opinion, but not our own facts. I personally have not made up my mind yet about what happened, if I had, why would I need to be on any forum, it would be my own "case closed" and over and out. I am here for discussion, brainstorming, and listening to other's point of view. Just a few links here that do express comments that many people observed and documented what appeared to be a bullet hole in the front windshield of the limo the day of and in the days after the assassination. Thanks for responding to my post!
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/limo.htm
http://www.mindspring.com/~pamelajfk/hole1.html
http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/JFK.shtml
http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/herman/herman16.html
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Response To Ms. LiAnn Simpson:

Postby Bruce Patrick Brychek » Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:34 pm

Dear Ms. LiAnn Simpson,

I was offering you facts, and interpretive analysis from eyewitnesses and participants from the JFK Assassination, that I have personally spoken to,
and actual photos that I have seen.

Not mere theories, and wild conjecture.

You are free to disregard me, of course.

Respectfully,
Bruce Patrick Brychek.
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Postby LiAnn Simpson » Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:44 pm

I would never disregard anyone, Bruce, except Bugliosi, he and his book are a joke in my opinion.
I respect the fact you have done tremendous research, and I may yet come over to yours and Wim's side completely, I am just not there yet.
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Postby tom jeffers » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:01 pm

I am only posting this for discussion purposes and am not arguing any point. I remember seeing a documentary on the coverup a few years ago and a man that worked in Detroit for the company that made the actual Limo that Kennedy rode in gave an interview. He stated that he was called into work that weekend and saw the Limo in a locked bay. It was brought there to replace the window and he said that the window had a bullet hole in it. The limo was secretly flown in a military transport plane. They had to manufacture the glass because it wasn't a stock size or had stock material. He gave this interview right before he died. He had been sworn to secrecy. Can anyone else remember this interview?
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Response To Mr. Tom Jeffers:

Postby Bruce Patrick Brychek » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:14 pm

Dear Mr. Tom Jeffers,

Good to hear from you. I don't recall what you are referring to, but I will surely check. Anyone else hear of, or read of what Tom Jeffers is referring to ? Also, that does not eleminate damage to the window while in transit, either intentional to cover-up, or accidental.


But for the record, at Jimmy's request, I went to an old auto yard and tried to shoot through a front windshield of a car from 100 feet, and 200 feet, with a .22 long rifle, a 30- 06, and a 30-30, from an elevated position.

The bullets cracked the windshield substantially, but never made full penetration. The angle of the windshield seems to encourage deflection, in my opinion.

Are my test circumstances exacting, and perfect ? No.

Food for thought.

Also, the pictures of the inside front windshield of JFK'S limo clearly do not show a complete penetration, in my opinion.

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Postby LiAnn Simpson » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:08 am

Tom if you will scroll up to my post earlier where I listed 4 links, the one that starts with mindspring talks about that very thing and the man who was able to get into the garage.
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Re: Response To Mr. Tom Jeffers:

Postby Rob Waters » Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:44 pm

Bruce Patrick Brychek wrote:Dear Mr. Tom Jeffers,

Good to hear from you. I don't recall what you are referring to, but I will surely check. Anyone else hear of, or read of what Tom Jeffers is referring to ? Also, that does not eleminate damage to the window while in transit, either intentional to cover-up, or accidental.


But for the record, at Jimmy's request, I went to an old auto yard and tried to shoot through a front windshield of a car from 100 feet, and 200 feet, with a .22 long rifle, a 30- 06, and a 30-30, from an elevated position.

The bullets cracked the windshield substantially, but never made full penetration. The angle of the windshield seems to encourage deflection, in my opinion.

Are my test circumstances exacting, and perfect ? No.

Food for thought.

Also, the pictures of the inside front windshield of JFK'S limo clearly do not show a complete penetration, in my opinion.

Respectfully,
Bruce Patrick Brychek.


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