Have other assassins besides James Files been identified?

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Have other assassins besides James Files been identified?

Postby Giovanni » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:56 pm

James Files was on the Grassy Knoll, Charlie Nicoletti and John Roselli were inside the Dal-Tex building. One of them shot at the president.

Who were the two gunmen inside the School Book Depository?

Was there a gunman firing from the rooftop of the Dallas County Records building? I understand that there was a shell found on the roof back in the '70s. If there was, why haven't I seen photographs of this shell?
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Postby Bob » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:54 am

This is my conjecture...the two gunmen in the TSBD were David Morales and Richard Cain. On the roof of the Dal-Tex building could have been Luis Posada Carriles.
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Postby Giovanni » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:21 pm

So, let's see...

James Files was on the grassy knoll. Nicoletti and Roselli were in the Dal-Tex building. Cain and Morales were in the Book Depository. And Carriles was allegedly on the rooftop of the Records building.

That's 5 assassins. 4 behind, 1 in the front.
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Postby Giovanni » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:48 am

The Dictaphone Tape has 4 shots recorded on it.

Z193 - Shot 1: Hit JFK in the neck (Book Depository)
Z224 - Shot 2: Hit Connally in the back (Book Depository)
Z313 - Shot 3: Hit JFK in the head (The Grassy Knoll)
Z314 - Shot 4: Missed (Book Depository)

What's has James Files said about the Police Recording containing 4 shots recorded on it?
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Postby r christen » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:38 am

At the HRSCA acoustical evidence from the DPD dictabelt tape had four shots fired - at 12:30:47.0, 12:30:48.6, 12:30:54.6 and 12:30:55.3.

These timings did not receive 100% acceptance at the time but several years ago it was claimed that the probability of correctness was something like 96%. I might have missed further updates on the acoustical evidence so such advice is welcome.

If we assume the above timings are correct then there was obviously more than one gunman. However, the third shot was deemed to be from the grassy knoll. This contrasts with the claim by Files that his shot from the grassy knoll hit JFK just a fraction of a second after the president's head moved forward due to a hit from the rear.
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Postby dankbaar » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:45 am

Z193 - Shot 1: Hit JFK in the neck (Book Depository)
Z224 - Shot 2: Hit Connally in the back (Book Depository)
Z313 - Shot 3: Hit JFK in the head (The Grassy Knoll)
Z314 - Shot 4: Missed (Book Depository)

corrected, not necessarily in order:

Shot : Hit JFK in the back (Book Depository, Daltex or roof County Records)
Shot : Missed, hit the chrome of windshield (Daltex )
Shot : Hit Connally in the back (Book Depository or roof County Records)
Shot : Missed, hit the grass south of Elm St. (Book Depository )
Shot: Hit Connally in the wrist and thigh (Book Depository)
Shot : Missed, made bullethole in windshield (Book Depository or Daltex )
Shot : Missed, hit the curb on Main St. (Daltex )
Shot : Hit JFK in the head (Book Depository or Daltex)
Shot : Hit JFK in the head (The Grassy Knoll)
Shot : Missed, hit the curb on Main St. (Daltex )
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Postby francois bertrand » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:16 pm

10 shots... too much... most people heard 3 or 4 shots...
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Postby Giovanni » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:38 pm

Wim, you're wrong on some of them.

Robert Groden's book:

manhole cover (Records building)
limo's windshield chrome (Dal-Tex)
JFK's head/windshield (TSBD)
JFK's head (Grassy Knoll)
JFK's Throat (Grassy Knoll)
JFK's back (Dal-Tex or TSBD)
Connally's back, chest (TSBD)
Connally's wrist/thigh (TSBD)
Main Street curb (Dal-Tex)
Elm St. curb (TSBD)

Groden says 9-13 shots were fired. I say 3 or 4.
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Postby Ian Irving » Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:50 pm

The number of shots heard does not by any means give a reliable guide as to how many shots were fired. You have to take into account sub-sonic ammunition, i.e. in lay-terms suppressed or silenced guns. There could have been any number of guns fired but only 3 or 4 shots heard.
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Postby Giovanni » Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:50 am

Some heard only 2. People like Jackie Kennedy heard only 2 shots. Connally didn't hear the shot that hit him.
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Postby dankbaar » Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:55 am

francois bertrand wrote:10 shots... too much... most people heard 3 or 4 shots...


Never heard of silencers?

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Postby Giovanni » Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:55 am

Yeah, I have. It makes no sense when some shooters have silencers and others don't.

And, why did some of the shooters leave their guns behind?
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Postby dankbaar » Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:57 am

That assumes a precoordinated plan, with all shooters knowing about each other's part.

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Postby Andre Murel » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:49 am

Is there a visual overview to go with the shooters?
I mean something like a map where the shooters were located?


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Postby dankbaar » Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:26 am

Andre Murel wrote:Is there a visual overview to go with the shooters?
I mean something like a map where the shooters were located?


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