"the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

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Re: "the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

Postby tom jeffers » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:04 pm

Bruce,

My son troy decided right after 911 to enter the air force academy to get his education and because he is a fine young patriotic american and wanted to contribute. he is much more naive than me but i spported his decision thinking that there is no way we would still be over there when he graduated. (how naive can i get!) He was the only one in his class to be assigned to the pentagon (had to be on a reccommendation from some big shot at the school) and I was relieved because I thought he would live out his military years being a paper pusher. he just informed me this week that he volunteered to go to afghanistan. he never even talked to me about it. he leaves december 2. he was persuaded by his testosterone military advisors that if he wanted to stay in as a career and get to major he needed combat duty plus this would look good to the cadets (have credibility) that he would eventually be teaching in the academy. (he wants to teach at the academy)

he has got the kind of heart that tillman had and you know what happened to him. I think of fogerty's song "senators son" and look at those politicians that send my blood, your blood out to slaughter while their children go to plush ivy league schools and get their experience in some attorney's office. when i saw bush 2 on that aircraft carrier dressed as a pilot and pretending to be one of the boys, i get sick thinking how many of us americans are still buying into this war and that WE ARE FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM! BULLSH!T!

NAMASTE'
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Re: "the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

Postby Bob » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:43 pm

tom jeffers wrote:Bruce,

My son troy decided right after 911 to enter the air force academy to get his education and because he is a fine young patriotic american and wanted to contribute. he is much more naive than me but i spported his decision thinking that there is no way we would still be over there when he graduated. (how naive can i get!) He was the only one in his class to be assigned to the pentagon (had to be on a reccommendation from some big shot at the school) and I was relieved because I thought he would live out his military years being a paper pusher. he just informed me this week that he volunteered to go to afghanistan. he never even talked to me about it. he leaves december 2. he was persuaded by his testosterone military advisors that if he wanted to stay in as a career and get to major he needed combat duty plus this would look good to the cadets (have credibility) that he would eventually be teaching in the academy. (he wants to teach at the academy)

he has got the kind of heart that tillman had and you know what happened to him. I think of fogerty's song "senators son" and look at those politicians that send my blood, your blood out to slaughter while their children go to plush ivy league schools and get their experience in some attorney's office. when i saw bush 2 on that aircraft carrier dressed as a pilot and pretending to be one of the boys, i get sick thinking how many of us americans are still buying into this war and that WE ARE FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM! BULLSH!T!

NAMASTE'


God Bless your son Troy, Tom. I hope he comes home quickly and safely. I agree with everything you just said...and then some. The wars we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are not for need...but for greed. :evil:
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Re: "the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

Postby Dealey Joe » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:07 pm

Tom & Bob
Having never served in military as just as I was about to be drafted JFK gave all married men deferment.
I have oft admired young men who want to serve in military, but I must say I Never understood it.
I think some of it is due to peer pressure, I am not sure how much patriotism fits into it.

Neither have I had a child in military. I have watched as anguished mothers and fathers watched their sons slaughtered
or return as drug addicts or mental cases.

I can't even imagine how those parents felt. I would be compelled to kill someone.

If I felt that it was a just cause I would serve today.

There is a special place in Hell for the likes of father and son Bush and Barak Obama is making his own bed.
and they are only the front men.
I think Bush's are closer to the front than some.
If you ask the wrong questions the answer does not matter!
then if you control the questions being asked the answer still does not matter!
To continue doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is "Insane"
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Re: "the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

Postby kenmurray » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:15 pm

My son goes off to the Navy next week where he will do his basic training in Chicago, then his job training in Connecticut. His job will be on a nuclear sub. Despite what we think about the wars going on today in the world, never forget our troops.
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Re: "the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

Postby Dealey Joe » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:52 pm

Ken that is a problem I have had when I say anything negative about the "WAR"
Is it a war?
Anyways people get actually mad at me and accuse me of not careing for the boys and girls being sacrificed.
Who could be that uncarring? It is not me that don't care, it is the criminals sending them.

It is sad but a matter of coditioning I suppose.

I am sorry I just don't believe things are settled by military conflict.
I am sure there could be a time when war is nessesary. Someday we will have to take control
of whatever is left of our country.

Whatever happened to "speak softly and carry a big stick"
jJFK seemed to understand that?
If you ask the wrong questions the answer does not matter!
then if you control the questions being asked the answer still does not matter!
To continue doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is "Insane"
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Re: "the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

Postby Bruce Patrick Brychek » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:24 pm

06.18.2010

Dear JFK Murder Solved Forum Members and Readers:

Mr. Tom Jeffers - My Trusted Friend, So Very Good To Hear From You. My meetings with
J were cancelled due to lockdowns both Wednesday and Thursday. I met with J today.
Your ears should have been burning, J yelled at me for not calling you, but I had misplaced
my phone book from emptying my car for searches at the prison.

J received your letter from a month ago only today. Ironic that I was there when he received
it, and then you write me today. I was going to call you from the prison, but as I said I could
not find your personal cell phone. I know that I always upset your lady at work asking for your
personal cell phone number.

I can't find that either. I lost a few folders, probably only misfiled, in my 350 banker boxes of
J and JFK Files, with many numbers and addresses. It's on my Things To Do List for this weekend.

J and I were also discussing your son, and your family. We both know of your great love for your
son and family. We share your pride, and concern. May God or the Higher Spirit guide his journey.
Lord knows that you have been handed much on your plate of life. You are truly a stronger spirit
than both J and I combined. We both admire and respect you greatly.

Send J an update, maybe he'll get it by August, but I will fill him in next week.

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Re: "the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

Postby Bruce Patrick Brychek » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:26 pm

02.09.2013

Dear JFK Murder Solved Forum Members and Readers:

04.27.2007 - I Posted this attention getting, powerful Headline.

My thought provoking analysis, comments, and input were clearly surpassed
by the tremendous comments and discussions of many Great JFK Forum Members.

This is worth reading and analyzing today, looking both backward, and forward.

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Re: "the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

Postby Bob » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:23 pm

Please see this chart...

http://www.pgpf.org/Chart-Archive/0053_ ... rison.aspx

See the words of Dwight D. Eisenhower in his last speech to the country as President...

"A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present

and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society. "
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Re: "the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

Postby Bruce Patrick Brychek » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:47 pm

07.14.2013

Dear JFK Murder Solved Forum Members and Readers:

04.27.2007 - I Posted this powerful Headline.

A very healthy, intelligent discussion followed by many great members.

What's the "real truth" today on military operations of Afghanistan, Iraq,
Pakistan, Syria, etc. ?

How much progress have me made ?

How many trillions and trillions of dollars were spent ?

How much more will we spend ?

But we're bringing them Democracy, right ?

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"the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

Postby Bruce Patrick Brychek » Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:55 pm

03.09.2014

Dear JFK Murder Solved Forum Members and Readers:

04.27.2007 - I first Posted this powerful Headline.

Fast forward to today. Now it's Russia and the increasing Cold War that is the
the "current fashionable looming problem."

Are "we" getting the truth from the military ? Our military ? Their military ?
Our intelligence agencies ? Their intelligence agencies ?

Certainly The GLobal Main Stream News Media is promoting all of the truth ?

What is the "truth" ?

Who controls the "truth" ?

Who decides what the "truth" is ?

Our Intelligence Agencies, Law Enforcement Agencies, Military Agencies, and
Political Agencies clearly have arrived at the juncture that "We the people..."
are like clueless, stupid young children who can't handle the "truth."

All The Agencies that have been created and elected to serve "We the people..."
have clearly become the tail that wags the dog.

Seeking the "truth" of 11.22.1963 ?

Seeking the "truth" for 09.11.2001 ?

Seeking the "truth" for any aspect of our American Culture today ?

How do you suggest that we get it ? Create a Time Machine and go back
to each and every event and film and record it ?

Good luck otherwise. Maybe crumbs at best. My Opinion.

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Re: "the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

Postby Dealey Joe » Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:48 am

As we have begun the latest chapter of the U.S. Never Ending
War Machine's Never Ending War, what do we on the JFKMS
Forum think ?


Would we be here today if JFK had succeeded in changing
the U.S. and World in his time and ours ?


The Military Industrial Corporations took over on 11.22.1963
at 12:30 p.m. in Dallas, Texas...


THE DAY DEMOCRACY DIED IN AMERICA.


And at this current pace it has Zero chances of returning.


What do you think ?
If you ask the wrong questions the answer does not matter!
then if you control the questions being asked the answer still does not matter!
To continue doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is "Insane"
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Re: "the vast military industrial complex will lie ..."

Postby Bruce Patrick Brychek » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:42 am

Thursday
09.12.2019
9:42 p.m.,
Chicago, Illinois time:

04.27.2007 - I Originally Posted this Vey Powerful Headline, and Supporting Material.

Some of the Very Best and Brightest JFK Murder Solved Forum Contributing Moderators and Members
developed an excellent discussion.

In 2007 "We the People..." were told that The Afghanistan War and Surrounding Conflicts would probably
take at least Two (2) more years."

09.12.2019 - Twelve (12) years later "We the People..." are told that a few more years are needed in The
Afghanistan War and Surrounding Conflicts.

Others are advising "...that there is No End to The War in Afghanistan..."

As always, I strongly recommend that you first read, research, and study material completely yourself
about a Subject Matter, and then formulate your own Opinions and Theories.

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on any aspect of this Subject Matter ?

Bear in mind that we are trying to attract and educate a Whole New Generation of JFK Researchers
who may not be as well versed as you.

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