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Re: MARTIN SCORSESE'S NEW FILM: "THE IRISHMAN" AND JIMMY HO

Postby JDB4JFK » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:24 pm

SO here's my million dollar question. If the CIA KILLED Hoffa and not the Mob why is a former Mob hitman wanting to take the rap for it???

Why is the Irishman covering for the CIA and given up a guy whose still alive named Tommy Andreta???

Bruce and Wim please respond!

IS THE ANSWER MONEY FOR THE IRISHMAN'S FAMILY???
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Postby Tommy Wilkens » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:57 pm

Bruce I thank you for addressing me directly on the forum.That really means a lot to me.I was fearful I had burned my bridge with you over some prior stupid posts of mine a time back.I can totally understand your situation with Wim Dankbaar.Thanks for clearing this up .I totally respect and admire you both.I thank you both for all you have given here on our Forum !!
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Re: MARTIN SCORSESE'S NEW FILM: "THE IRISHMAN" AND JIMMY HO

Postby Slav » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:14 am

Who shot JFK - Files, Nicoletti,Roselli, Jack Lawrence, Frank Sturgis, Roscoe White, and others
Who shot MLK- police officer Frank Strausser.
Who shot RFK - Thane Caesar
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Postby Slav » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:54 am

I’m confused

3 different ways he got whacked

1. He went into a house in Detroit got shot in the back of the head and the blood is still there ?

2. He got cut up and placed in a barrel like Roselli, really coincidence now we know who killed Roselli

3. He got shot in an open field and was taken to a garbage incinerator and burned
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Picardo alleged that Hoffa's killers stuffed him into a 55-gallon drum, loaded him onto a truck, and shipped him to an unknown destination. However, based on Picardo's information, government prosecutors subpoenaed Thomas Andretta, his brother and Salvatore Briguglio, who was the Secretary treasurer of Local 560 and another alleged hitman. They all appeared before a federal grand jury in Detroit on December 4, 1975 and took the Fifth Amendment, refusing to answer any questions about their knowledge of the murder.
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Re: MARTIN SCORSESE'S NEW FILM: "THE IRISHMAN" AND JIMMY HO

Postby dankbaar » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:06 am

Sheeran is dead and was not covering for anyone. In fact, he denied killing Hoffa and he was distrustful of Charles Brandt. Brandt started claiming that Sheeran had confessed to him after Sheeran died.



Deathbed Admission: I Disposed Of Hoffa
March 13, 2004|By David Ashenfelter Knight Ridder Newspapers
DETROIT -- The FBI plans to investigate the purported deathbed confession of a former Pennsylvania Teamsters official that says he helped dispose of the body of Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa.

The confession, said to have been written by Francis [Frank] Sheeran before he died Dec. 14 at age 83 in a nursing home near Philadelphia, says he flew to Pontiac, Mich., in a small plane on the day Hoffa disappeared, picked up Hoffa's body from the killers and drove it to a Hamtramck, Mich., trash incinerator, where it was burned.




But the three-page document may turn out to be another false lead, like so many the FBI has tracked down since Hoffa vanished July 30, 1975.

"It's definitely a forgery; it's not his signature," Sheeran's daughter, Dolores Miller of West Chester, Pa., said.

Miller said she thinks the document was created by Sheeran biographer John Zeitts of Omaha, Neb., to upstage a book to be published in June by another Sheeran biographer, Charles Brandt, a former Delaware chief deputy state attorney general. Zeitts says his book is still in the works.

Miller -- who is collaborating with Brandt -- said the wording is strikingly similar to Brandt's earlier outlines, which Zeitts could have read during visits with Sheeran.

Zeitts, 59, said Friday that the confession is genuine and that Sheeran wrote it to clear his conscience about his role in Hoffa's disappearance. The FBI thinks Hoffa was killed to prevent him from regaining the Teamsters presidency and ending mob access to union pension funds.

Zeitts said Sheeran sent him the confession in November and he forwarded it last week to Hoffa's daughter, Barbara Crancer, a judge in St. Louis. Crancer gave it to the FBI and the Detroit Free Press.
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FROM: Knight Ridder News Service ~
The FBI plans to investigate the purported deathbed
confession of a former Pennsylvania Teamsters official that
says he helped dispose of the body of Teamster boss Jimmy
Hoffa.

The confession, said to have been written by Francis (Frank)
Sheeran before he died Dec. 14 at age 83 in a nursing home
near Philadelphia, says he flew to Pontiac, Mich., in a
small plane on the day Hoffa disappeared, picked up Hoffa's
body from the killers and drove it to a Hamtramck, Mich.,
trash incinerator where it was burned.

But the three-page document may turn out to be another false
lead, like so many the FBI has tracked down since Hoffa
vanished July 30, 1975. He was on his way to a
reconciliation meeting with Anthony (Tony Pro) Provenzano, a
New Jersey Teamsters boss, and Anthony (Tony Jack)
Giacalone, a Detroit Mafia captain.

"It's definitely a forgery - it's not his signature,"
Sheeran's daughter, Dolores Miller, of West Chester, Pa.,
said this week.

Miller said she thinks the document was created by Sheeran
biographer John Zeitts of Omaha, Neb., to upstage a book to
be published in June by another Sheeran biographer, Charles
Brandt, a former Delaware chief deputy state attorney
general.

Zeitts says his book is still in the works.

Miller - who is collaborating with Brandt - said the wording
is strikingly similar to Brandt's earlier outlines, which
Zeitts could have read during visits with Sheeran.

Zeitts, 59, said Friday that the confession is genuine and
that Sheeran wrote it to clear his conscience about his role
in Hoffa's disappearance. The FBI believes Hoffa was killed
to prevent him from regaining the Teamsters presidency and
ending mob access to union pension funds.

Zeitts said Sheeran sent him the confession in November and
he forwarded it last week to Hoffa's daughter, Barbara
Crancer, a judge in St. Louis.

Crancer gave it to the FBI and the Detroit Free Press.

Sheeran, former president of Teamsters Local 326 in
Wilmington, Del., was a longtime Hoffa loyalist and
convicted racketeer who spent nine years in prison after
Hoffa vanished.

In 1975, he took the Fifth Amendment before a federal grand
jury in Detroit in the Hoffa case. Sheeran said in the 1990s
that he knew who killed Hoffa, but denied personal
involvement.

Sheeran told Philadelphia reporters that he'd tell all in a
biography that he and Zeitts were writing. It was never
published.

Zeitts said in a phone interview this week that he served
time with Sheeran in a federal prison. He said he was there
for sending pornography through the mail.

The confession doesn't contain a title, date or witness
signatures.

It alleges:

Hoffa called Sheeran on July 27, 1975, to set up a meeting
between Hoffa and Pennsylvania crime boss Russell Bufalino
to resolve Hoffa's conflict with Provenzano. Hoffa called
back the next day to say that he had set up a meeting with
Provenzano for July 30 and that Hoffa wanted Sheeran there
to "watch his back."

That night, Bufalino hinted to Sheeran that Hoffa would be
killed so there was no reason for Sheeran to attend the
meeting.

On July 30, Sheeran, Bufalino, their wives and Bufalino's
sister-in-law headed to Detroit from Pennsylvania to attend
a wedding.

Along the way, Sheeran left the group, went to an airstrip,
flew to Pontiac and got into a car that had an address in
the glove box.

Sheeran drove to the address and was met by Provenzano
henchmen Salvatore Briguglio and brothers Thomas and Stephen
Andretta, who were suspected but never charged in Hoffa's
disappearance.

"The deed had already been done," the document said.

It said Sheeran drove Hoffa's body to Central States Waste
Management trash incinerator, located in Hamtramck, and the
body was burned.

Sheeran returned to Pontiac and flew back to the airstrip to
rejoin his group.

"By having me in it, Russell was keeping me alive," the
document said. "Important eyes were watching and Russell was
showing that my loyalty was to him first and that I would
not be a `loose end.' And being in it, there was no danger
of me testifying."

Days later, the document said, Sheeran met at a New York
City restaurant with incinerator owners Peter Vitale and
Raffael Quasarano and others.

"After lunch, while walking to our cars, Pete Vitale told me
that if I waited long enough, I could pay my respects to
Hoffa in the soot surrounding his trash incinerator," the
document said.

Miller said her father and Zeitts had talked for years about
writing the book, but never did.

Several years ago, she said, Sheeran teamed up with Brandt,
who had written a detective novel.

Brandt wouldn't discuss his book or how its details compare
with the confession.

The FBI said it plans to look into the matter.

"The case is still open and we run down any leads we receive
on it," FBI spokeswoman Dawn Clenney said Friday.

---

FROM: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ~

The FBI plans to investigate the purported deathbed
confession of a former Pennsylvania Teamsters official that
says he helped dispose of the body of Teamster boss Jimmy
Hoffa.

The confession, said to have been written by Francis "Frank"
Sheeran before he died Dec. 14 at age 83 in a nursing home
near Philadelphia, says he flew to Pontiac, Mich., in a
small plane on the day Hoffa disappeared, picked up Hoffa's
body from the killers and drove it to a Hamtramck, Mich.,
trash incinerator where it was burned.

But the three-page document may turn out to be another false
lead, like so many the FBI has tracked down since Hoffa
vanished July 30, 1975. He was on his way to a
reconciliation meeting with Anthony "Tony Pro" Provenzano, a
New Jersey Teamsters boss, and Anthony "Tony Jack"
Giacalone, a Detroit Mafia captain.

"It's definitely a forgery --- it's not his signature,"
Sheeran's daughter, Dolores Miller, of West Chester, Pa.,
said this week. She said she thinks the document was created
by Sheeran biographer John Zeitts of Omaha, Neb., to upstage
a book to be published in June by another Sheeran
biographer, Charles Brandt, a former Delaware chief deputy
state attorney general.

Zeitts, 59, said Friday that the confession is genuine and
that Sheeran wrote it to clear his conscience about his role
in Hoffa's disappearance. The FBI believes Hoffa was killed
to prevent him from regaining the Teamsters presidency and
ending mob access to union pension funds.

Zeitts said Sheeran sent him the confession in November and
he forwarded it last week to Hoffa's daughter, Barbara
Crancer, a judge in St. Louis.

Crancer gave it to the FBI and the Detroit Free Press.

Sheeran, former president of Teamsters Local 326 in
Wilmington, Del., was a longtime Hoffa loyalist and
convicted racketeer who spent nine years in prison after
Hoffa vanished.

In 1975, he took the Fifth Amendment before a federal grand
jury in Detroit in the Hoffa case. Sheeran said in the 1990s
that he knew who killed Hoffa but denied personal
involvement.

Sheeran told Philadelphia reporters that he'd tell all in a
biography that he and Zeitts were writing. It was never
published.
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Re: MARTIN SCORSESE'S NEW FILM: "THE IRISHMAN" AND JIMMY HO

Postby dankbaar » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:17 am

You see, Sheeran NEVER said that he killed Hoffa. I believe his confession to John Zeitts is much more likely the truth. In that confession Sheeran says that he picked up the body ("The deed had already been done") and drove it to the Hamtramck incinerator. Zeitts said he got the confession in november 2003. Sheeran died on december 14, 2003. Te story broke to the media in march 2004. This is the first time that it became known that Hoffa's body was burned in the Hamtramck incinerator. Remember that I intervied James Files on november 18,2003, where he told me this:

Note from Wim: The day before the video-interview, on November 18, 1993, I had a 4 hour talk with James Files and Pamela Ray. I brought the conversation to the murder of Jimmy Hoffa, and he said he did not want to discuss that. I then asked “But you do know who did that?” He said yes. I then confronted him with a book I had read, wherein a contract killer (Donald Frankos) had confessed that he had taken part in the murder and that Hoffa was killed in a home with a shot in the back of the head just after he sat down in a chair. Files commented that this was all “bullshit” and that “Hoffa was killed in a parking lot, in a wide open area”. So then I asked Files if he knew what happened to the body, and he said yes. I asked him if there was any merit to the rumors that the body was put in the concrete of Yankee stadium. Files said no and added: “I'll give you this: There is no body, his ashes are all over Detroit, but I will deny I ever told you that.” Again, this was well before the above article came out.

So James Files knew that Hoffa's body was burned in the incinirator, 4 months before the story came out. Actually he knew in 1999 when he wrote Pam this letter:

August 30, 1999, James Files to author in letter
Did you ever see the movie, “The Jimmy Hoffa Story?” I think that was the name of it. It was out two or three years ago. Anyway, it was pretty close to real life, except the ending. He was killed by a young gun, but the car was not loaded into a tractor-trailer. It was driven away from the area and to one of the sanitation yards and the body went into a furnace and the ashes went all over Detroit and the suburbs. That is a fact.

It was Pam who told me that Jimmy knows who killed Hoffa, that is why I asked him the question in november 2003. I don't think he told her who did it, but he DID tell Bruce! That is why Bruce posted this article. He bites his tongue over such a falsification of history by Hollywood.
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Postby Tom Bigg » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:35 pm

Thanks for the real facts on Hoffa. As usual a lot less dramatic than Hollywood wants.
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Postby dankbaar » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:33 pm

As for Richard Cain, it was Sam Giancana that ordered his death. Cain had tried hard to push Sam to the side and take over his territory while Sam had been in exile. When Sam got back and found out what Cain had been up to he was "LIVID" and he made a phone call and he was so up-set, it took him a while to stop ranting and raving to finally give the order. As for the Lady in Blue, there was No Woman in Blue with the two men and the two left alone. That is a FACT!!!

(........)

As for Cain, I did NOT like him, but I had to put up with him for the people in the circle. But then Cain messed up real bad. The Motive for his murder...he tried to push Sam G. aside and take over the operation. I know for a fact that it was Sam that ordered his death.

Yeah Jimmy, the order was given to Chuck and you!

On Cain, I do not know why he was killed. Whether it was ordered by Caifano, Giancana or the government or both.

And whether I say Jimmy was the shooter, doesn't matter, as Cain's halfbrother Michael doesn't want to believe either.

But I tell you about a sitdown I had with Files the day before the camera interview. I asked him if he were not concerned about being spotted by witnesses in a fairly open area as the grassy knoll. He said no and started explaining that when there is a shooting, people don't look, but duck in shock. Their instinctive concern is to get away rather than to observe and register. He then offered a further illustration: I've killed people in public places, even in restaurants. He corrected himself slightly by saying: Maybe that's not a good example because I was wearing a skimask. (This can only be the killing of Richard Cain in Rose’s sandwich shop)
He went on to give me a rather funny anecdote. He told me he was stealing a car one day in public parking lot. And a very old lady came up to him and asked: What are you doing to that car, young man? And he answered: I am stealing it! So she said, I guess somewhat surprised by the frankness: Oh! ......Can I watch? And Files said: Sure you can!
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Postby Slav » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:51 pm

Thanks excellent info

Old lady story is great I could see that happening lol


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-H6VT5ZOQpM
Who shot JFK - Files, Nicoletti,Roselli, Jack Lawrence, Frank Sturgis, Roscoe White, and others
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Postby Tom Bigg » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:23 pm

dankbaar wrote:As for Richard Cain, it was Sam Giancana that ordered his death. Cain had tried hard to push Sam to the side and take over his territory while Sam had been in exile. When Sam got back and found out what Cain had been up to he was "LIVID" and he made a phone call and he was so up-set, it took him a while to stop ranting and raving to finally give the order. As for the Lady in Blue, there was No Woman in Blue with the two men and the two left alone. That is a FACT!!!

(........)

As for Cain, I did NOT like him, but I had to put up with him for the people in the circle. But then Cain messed up real bad. The Motive for his murder...he tried to push Sam G. aside and take over the operation. I know for a fact that it was Sam that ordered his death.

Yeah Jimmy, the order was given to Chuck and you!

On Cain, I do not know why he was killed. Whether it was ordered by Caifano, Giancana or the government or both.

And whether I say Jimmy was the shooter, doesn't matter, as Cain's halfbrother Michael doesn't want to believe either.

But I tell you about a sitdown I had with Files the day before the camera interview. I asked him if he were not concerned about being spotted by witnesses in a fairly open area as the grassy knoll. He said no and started explaining that when there is a shooting, people don't look, but duck in shock. Their instinctive concern is to get away rather than to observe and register. He then offered a further illustration: I've killed people in public places, even in restaurants. He corrected himself slightly by saying: Maybe that's not a good example because I was wearing a skimask. (This can only be the killing of Richard Cain in Rose’s sandwich shop)
He went on to give me a rather funny anecdote. He told me he was stealing a car one day in public parking lot. And a very old lady came up to him and asked: What are you doing to that car, young man? And he answered: I am stealing it! So she said, I guess somewhat surprised by the frankness: Oh! ......Can I watch? And Files said: Sure you can!


Good information there, Wim, you are a true patriot, getting the truth out to Americans, which is basically Dummyland.

Of course guns firing on festive occasions is a time of shock, surprise and awe! Who could react in an effective way when it goes completely against the natural life?? When the first son, Cain killed his brother Abel, God put a mark on him so people wouldn't kill him like he deserved. Completely unexpected that Abel would get killed in cold blood. After that there has been one psycho after another, I hear about people's rage when I sometimes go to AA meetings. People are messed up so they need to treat it with drugs or alcohol, which are completely ineffective and make matters worse. They should humbly ask God for mercy for their insane urges.

Contract killing is different. Organized crime knows all the methods, tools of extortion, tools of revenge, tools of torture and maiming and killing. They are tools of the devil, as no one has a right to take the law into their own hands, defense yes but not punitive revenge outside the law. I have become something of an expert at fighting back legally. Use the system to your advantage. I hear the Russian mafia is the worst.
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Postby Slav » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:23 pm

My question is what if the real killer comes forward will he get arrested ?

Let’s say someone posted here that ............... killed Hoffa and provided details will they go after the killer?

Or like LHO, surhan is History written by the mockingbirds?
Who shot JFK - Files, Nicoletti,Roselli, Jack Lawrence, Frank Sturgis, Roscoe White, and others
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Who shot RFK - Thane Caesar
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Postby Tom Bigg » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:00 pm

Nothing will happen if someone confesses to a cold case that is US lore. There is no will for it, so I don't understand this thing about not turning in others through providing reasonable narratives of what happened that counter others. It boils down to evidence, and track record as being reliable and honest and supporting witnesses.
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Postby dankbaar » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:51 pm

Cynthia, You did say a word to Kat. You asked: How are you doing, Kat? So Kat is your friend. I know you know nothing about your uncle Gary. Because all I know about Gary is from Jimmy. Or better said: from Janet. You see, Kat is my friend too. I think she/or he means well. But Kat is just wrong. There is no danger! Jimmy and Faith did not abandon you, did they? What the F is Kat is talking about danger? For you, Faith, Kerrie, Shawnn, Kathy? What does he know? If there is anyone in danger it is James Files! But he does not care! And I don't either! Cynthia, you don't want to know how many people have asked me: Have you ever been threathened for publishing the story of James Files? I laugh! It is time that you and Shawnn are going to help me, instead of sending me these messages. You know, it is much more worthwhile that his own flesh and blood, family and kin, says: Jimmy was a bad guy, but at least he had the guts to tell the truth for altruistic reasons! I love him, just like Wim and Bruce!
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Postby kenmurray » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:32 am

Jim DiEugenio reviews the movie "The Irishman" and says it is A Crushing Disappointment:

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