WILL TRUMP RELEASE THE MISSING JFK FILES ?

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Re: WILL TRUMP RELEASE THE MISSING JFK FILES ?

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Re: WILL TRUMP RELEASE THE MISSING JFK FILES ?

Postby Slav » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:48 pm

The unreleased records include CIA files on two senior officers involved in assassinations and four Watergate burglars, as well as the secret congressional testimony of numerous JFK witnesses.

“I hope they will not request any postponement,” Jones said. “We’re talking about something that happened 54 years ago.”

While JFK scholars and journalists have called on Trump to "give us the full story of the JFK assassination," Jones and Grassley are the first elected officials to lend their clout to the cause.

Jones stressed that the JFK Records Act was approved by a vote of 435-0 in October 1992.

“The first President Bush signed this law and everybody in Congress, Republican and Democrat, voted for it,” Jones said.

Jones said he and Grassley plan to thank Bush and enlist the support of all the members of the House and Senate who voted for the JFK Records Act in 1992, including House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)

( I bet bush didn't count on living so long )
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Postby Slav » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:50 am

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Re: WILL TRUMP RELEASE THE MISSING JFK FILES ?

Postby bobspez » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:55 pm

For me lately the question has become why rather than who. If you know the why, the who falls into place. For me the why is the Vietnam War. The military industrial complex and the CIA wanted a big payday that comes with a war. Their previous big payday had been the arms race. They cashed in on the stockpiling of 30,000 H-bombs, the delivery systems, planes, missiles, silos, maintenance, and all the gas and diesel needed to run them and keep them ready to use. But by the end of the Eisenhower administration people were asking if having many times the number of H-Bombs needed to obliterate all life on earth was enough.

After the Cuban missile crisis the military industrial complex needed a new pay day. JFK stood in the way and was eliminated. RFK and MLK poentially stood in the way and were eliminated.

The way I see it, the people who pulled the triggers were less important than the people who pulled the strings. But those people and their successors have controlled and still control US foreign policy, the CIA, the FBI, Homeland Security, the Congress, and the mass media. So if you had an indisputable photograph or movie of George Bush Sr. firing a rifle on the grassy knoll it wouldn't matter. They would just spin it somehow and the majority of people would shrug and move onto the next item on Entertainment Tonight.

Over the last 50 years the public has been fed an overload of differing opinions in order to cloud everyone's judgement. The extreme political divide that has been manufactured has effectively created a stalemate on any change in the system. So when anyone says the majority of the people want change, the media and those in power say it can't be done. The lobbyists and special interests will block it, so we are left with the status quo. And if the change is inevitable they will somehow co-opt it and make money off of it.

An example is marijuana. In most places where recreational or medical marijuana is legal, it's illegal to grow your own. So commerce still gets the major profit, and the state gets the taxes. A product you could grow as cheaply as tomatoes still costs more in the dispensaries than it does on the black market.

The average one hour TV show has anywhere from 50 to 100 commercials. And the average American watches 5 hours of TV per day. Entertainment and news is all soundbytes, quick cuts, and a barage of short pieces. No one can remember any of it. I believe this all feeds the machines of consumerism and maintains the status quo in regard to who is running things. It's mass distraction that amounts to mass hypnosis.

When Obama was elected I predicted nothing would change. I predicted the same when Trump was elected. I defer to Putin's comment that he has been in his position during 4 presidents, Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump (two Democrats and two Republicans). Putin said the faces change but the US foreign policy stays the same. And the foreign policy is there to support the military industrial complex. It keeps wealth and power in the intended hands.
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Re: WILL TRUMP RELEASE THE MISSING JFK FILES ?

Postby Bob » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:07 pm

bobspez wrote:For me lately the question has become why rather than who. If you know the why, the who falls into place. For me the why is the Vietnam War. The military industrial complex and the CIA wanted a big payday that comes with a war. Their previous big payday had been the arms race. They cashed in on the stockpiling of 30,000 H-bombs, the delivery systems, planes, missiles, silos, maintenance, and all the gas and diesel needed to run them and keep them ready to use. But by the end of the Eisenhower administration people were asking if having many times the number of H-Bombs needed to obliterate all life on earth was enough.

After the Cuban missile crisis the military industrial complex needed a new pay day. JFK stood in the way and was eliminated. RFK and MLK poentially stood in the way and were eliminated.

The way I see it, the people who pulled the triggers were less important than the people who pulled the strings. But those people and their successors have controlled and still control US foreign policy, the CIA, the FBI, Homeland Security, the Congress, and the mass media. So if you had an indisputable photograph or movie of George Bush Sr. firing a rifle on the grassy knoll it wouldn't matter. They would just spin it somehow and the majority of people would shrug and move onto the next item on Entertainment Tonight.

Over the last 50 years the public has been fed an overload of differing opinions in order to cloud everyone's judgement. The extreme political divide that has been manufactured has effectively created a stalemate on any change in the system. So when anyone says the majority of the people want change, the media and those in power say it can't be done. The lobbyists and special interests will block it, so we are left with the status quo. And if the change is inevitable they will somehow co-opt it and make money off of it.

An example is marijuana. In most places where recreational or medical marijuana is legal, it's illegal to grow your own. So commerce still gets the major profit, and the state gets the taxes. A product you could grow as cheaply as tomatoes still costs more in the dispensaries than it does on the black market.

The average one hour TV show has anywhere from 50 to 100 commercials. And the average American watches 5 hours of TV per day. Entertainment and news is all soundbytes, quick cuts, and a barage of short pieces. No one can remember any of it. I believe this all feeds the machines of consumerism and maintains the status quo in regard to who is running things. It's mass distraction that amounts to mass hypnosis.

When Obama was elected I predicted nothing would change. I predicted the same when Trump was elected. I defer to Putin's comment that he has been in his position during 4 presidents, Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump (two Democrats and two Republicans). Putin said the faces change but the US foreign policy stays the same. And the foreign policy is there to support the military industrial complex. It keeps wealth and power in the intended hands.


Well said, Bob. Mark me down as a fool who really thought Barry O would make some real changes. But that was before he named Hillary as his Secretary of State, Rahm Emmanuel as his Chief of Staff, Tim Geithner as his Secretary of the Treasury and Bob Gates was kept on as Secretary of Defense. The bottom line is that the United States is run by people who are deeply entrenched in Big War, Big Banking and Big Oil.
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Re: WILL TRUMP RELEASE THE MISSING JFK FILES ?

Postby Slav » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:46 am

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... sco-215716


CIA asked trump to keep cia files locked away for another 25 years. Really what’s the purpose
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Postby Tom Bigg » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:42 pm

I don't expect him to do the courageous thing here. He is an idiot. Look, I voted for him as I couldn't vote for the corrupt Clinton. But he is stacking up to be the most incompetent President ever.
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Postby Slav » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:15 am

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Postby Slav » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:33 am

I can’t believe there even considering another 25 years, what is there to hide?


Updated at 5 p.m. with White House saying it is weighing full disclosure against national security.

His CIA director, Mike Pompeo, has pressed to keep portions of the trove classified. Roger Stone, a longtime adviser who maintains that Kennedy’s vice president, Johnson, masterminded the plot, has urged full disclosure.
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Postby Slav » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:25 am

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WILL TRUMP RELEASE THE MISSING JFK FILES ?

Postby Bruce Patrick Brychek » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:56 am

10.22.2017:

Dear JFK Murder Solved Forum Members and Readers:

I ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY, TOTALLY BELIEVE THAT NO MAJOR REVELATIONS WHATSOEVER WILL EVER COME OUT, AND BE VERIFIED ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF JFK.

1. I AM TOTALLY INTERESTED IN A TOP DOWN APPROACH, NOTHING LESS.

2. I AM FED UP AND TIRED OF THE CIRCUITOUS, REPETITIVE BOTTOM UP APPROACHES, i.e., HOW MANY BULLET HOLES, BULLETS, SHOOTERS, SHOTS, TEAMS, HE SAID, SHE SAID, HE DID, SHE DID, etc., GOING NOWHERE FAST STORY LINES. IT'S BEEN ALMOST 54 YEARS OF ACCOMPLISHING NOTHING OF RELEVANT VALUE. My Opinion.

3. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS BEING ASKED BY FEDERAL AGENCIES TO NOT RELEASE AN UNKNOWN NUMBER OF JFK FILES.

4. THE MORE ANALYTICAL, PROBATIVE QUESTIONING THAT I ADVANCE IS:

A. THINK ABOUT WHAT WAS EVER ORIGINALLY REALLY HONESTLY FACTUALLY DOCUMENTED AND FILED AWAY FOR POSTERITY ?

B. WHAT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN, OR WILL NOT BE, REDACTED BEFORE RELEASE ?

C. SINCE NOTHING HAS BEEN INDEXED CHRONOLOGICALLY TOTALLY FROM 11.22.1963, HOW CAN "We the People..." EVER TELL WHAT WAS BURNED, DESTROYED, LOST, MIS-FILED, SHREDDED, etc. ?

D. GIVEN THAT VARIOUS FEDERAL AGENCIES ARE KNOWINGLY, AND OTHERS CERTAINLY ARE UNKNOWINGLY, SEEKING TO KEEP PRESIDENT TRUMP FROM RELEASING JFK FILES, WHAT DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK WILL BE THE FINAL RESULT ? THE TOTAL TRUTH ? (10.22.2017, BB).

NEW KENNEDY ASSASSINATION DOCUMENTS: WHAT WILL THEY TELL US ?
By Ian Shapira October 21 at 4:00 AM

Trump plans to release final batch of JFK files

President Trump on Oct. 21 tweeted that he will release the final batch of files related to former president John F. Kennedy's assassination. (Joyce Koh/The Washington Post)
ORIGINAL STORY:

President Trump is being urged to withhold the last batch of government documents that could shed more light on the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

A National Security Council official said in an interview that federal agencies are asking the president not to release an unknown number of files held by the National Archives and Records Administration related to Kennedy’s murder.

The 1992 Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act — which was prompted partly by the Oliver Stone movie “JFK” — mandated the release of millions of pages related to Lee Harvey Oswald’s fatal shooting of Kennedy within 25 years. The final set of documents must be revealed by Oct. 26, and only President Trump has the authority to push back the deadline.

“There will be a request made to the President to withhold documents, absolutely no question about that,” said the NSC official, who agreed to be interviewed only on the condition of anonymity. “There are definitely files related to sources and methods that agencies are asking to withhold.”

The official declined to identify which agencies are asking Trump to keep some of the Kennedy files secret, saying only that the security council is coordinating the requests.

[‘Foul traitor’: New JFK assassination records reveal KGB defector’s 3-year interrogation]

Earlier this month, Roger Stone, the political consultant and Trump confidante, reported on his website, “Stone Cold Truth,” that CIA Director Mike Pompeo wants the president to delay the record release for another 25 years. Stone, who co-authored a best-selling book in 2013 called, “The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ,” said in a Post interview that he opposes any delay.

“What is the government hiding?” he asked. “The issue now is transparency.”

This week, Stone told Infowars conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that he spoke to Trump himself and urged the president to release all the documents.

“Yesterday, I had the opportunity to make the case directly to the president of the United States by phone as to why I believe it is essential that he release the balance of the currently redacted and classified JFK assassination documents,” Stone said on Jones’s show. “A very good White House source — not the President — told me that the Central Intelligence Agency, specifically CIA director Mike Pompeo, has been lobbying the President furiously not to release these documents. Why? Because I believe they show that Oswald was trained, nurtured and put in place by the Central Intelligence Agency.”

Stone said it wasn’t clear what Trump will do. “He did not tip off his current decision,” Stone told Jones. “We’re going to have to wait . . . but he was all ears. He took it all in . . . I think he’s going to do the right thing.”

Accused Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald winces Nov. 24, 1963, as Dallas night club owner Jack Ruby shoots him in a corridor of Dallas police headquarters. (Bob Jackson/Associated Press)
The CIA declined to comment on Stone’s assertions about Pompeo, releasing a statement that said: “CIA continues to engage in the process to determine the appropriate next steps with respect to any previously unreleased CIA information.”

The FBI declined to comment for this article and referred The Post to the White House. Trump spokeswoman Lindsay E. Walters released a statement saying the White House is “aware of the upcoming deadline” and that it was working with federal agencies to ensure that “the maximum amount of data can be released to the public” without “identifiable harm” to national security operations.

Some GOP lawmakers are pushing for a full release. In early October, Rep. Walter B. Jones (R-N.C.) and Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, introduced resolutions asking Trump to “reject any claims for the continued postponement.”

[JFK’s last birthday: Gifts, champagne and wandering hands on the presidential yacht]

Experts who have studied the assassination say there are about 3,100 previously unreleased files that contain tens of thousands of pages of never-before-seen material. Additionally, the National Archives has another 30,000 pages that have been disclosed previously, but only partially.

They said the 3,100 new files are potentially some of the most intriguing because many of them concern Oswald’s six-day trip to Mexico City in September 1963, about two months before the Nov. 22 assassination. Oswald himself was shot to death by nightclub owner Jack Ruby on Nov. 24. They believe some of the papers might show the extent to which the CIA, which had been monitoring Oswald’s movements in Mexico, knew the magnitude of Oswald’s overtures to the Cubans and Soviets.

“I’ve always considered the Mexico City trip the hidden chapter of the assassination. A lot of histories gloss right past this period,” said Philip Shenon, a former New York Times reporter and the author of a book on the Warren Commission, the congressional body that investigated Kennedy’s killing. “Oswald was meeting with Soviet spies and Cuban spies, and the CIA and FBI had him under aggressive surveillance. Didn’t the FBI and CIA have plenty of evidence that he was a threat before the assassination? If they had acted on that evidence, maybe it wouldn’t have taken place. These agencies could be afraid that if the documents all get released, their incompetence and bungling could be exposed. They knew about the danger of Oswald, but didn’t alert Washington.”

On Friday night, Shenon published a Politico piece which, citing “Trump administration and other government officials,” said that the President was “almost certain to block the release of information from some” of the Kennedy files.

Jaqueline Kennedy and her children, Caroline and John Jr., leave the Capitol, followed by Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and his sister Patricia Kennedy Lawford on Nov. 24, 1963.

Jefferson Morley, a former Washington Post reporter who has written extensively about the Kennedy assassination papers, said the remaining documents might include files on senior CIA officers from the 1960s who likely knew details of the agency’s surveillance of Oswald in Mexico City.

“What’s in those files could tell us how those men did their jobs,” said Morley, who wrote a 2008 book on the agency’s Mexico City station chief. “Is there JFK material in there? Could be. There might be stuff on why we were interested in the Cuban consulate, how we surveilled the consulate, how we did our audio work, and how did we recruit spies there? We might understand much better why they were watching Oswald.”

Morley is also eager to read a never-before released transcript of testimony given by James Angleton, the CIA’s legendary chief of counterintelligence from 1954 to 1975, to senators in September 1975 investigating abuses committed by the intelligence community.

The files on Angleton and the other CIA officers are important because “these are not just major players in the agency’s history, they are major players in the Oswald story,” said Morley, who has a new book on Angleton, “The Ghost,” coming out Oct. 24. “Oswald didn’t come out of nowhere. Angelton was targeting him for intelligence purposes at the Cuban consulate in Mexico City.”

Morley worries that if Trump extends the deadline past Oct. 26, it could be a long time before anyone to see the rest of the documents.

“If there is large-scale postponement, the most interesting documents are the ones we wont’ see,” Morley said. “It could be indefinite.”


As always, I strongly recommend that you first read, research, and study material completely
yourself about a Subject Matter, and then formulate your own Opinions and Theories.

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Re: WILL TRUMP RELEASE THE MISSING JFK FILES ?

Postby Tom Bigg » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:01 pm

I agree that we will probably not see anything original, smoking guns, major bombshells come out with the probable release.

My father used to refer to Reagan as a movie actor, he did deserve a fair amount of contempt for a lack of intellectual rigor. We haven't had many courageous or intellectually significant Presidents in the last 60 years. JFK was genius level in terms of IQ, but flawed. He would never consider the reality star Trump to be worth trusting with much in terms of government resources. Any above average college student would be able to out test Trump. He is not that smart, he is more a function of those around him and his limited political abilities and instincts.

I look forward to the coming week or so with all the commentators who will be coming out to sort through the data. Even the scumbag Posner says he welcomes the new information.
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Postby Slav » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:38 pm

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Postby Tom Bigg » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:27 pm

Stone remains one of the main people to follow on this. https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr?ref_s ... r%5Eauthor
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Re: WILL TRUMP RELEASE THE MISSING JFK FILES ?

Postby bobspez » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:39 pm

Seems like Trump's last chance to deliver on a campaign promise. So far he has delivered none of what he promised. If he caves on this one then he is just another puppet president.
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