Ruth and Machael Paine !!!

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Ruth and Machael Paine !!!

Postby Tommy Wilkens » Mon May 16, 2016 2:46 pm

I was wondering what some of the other forum members thoughts were on the Paine's. How they slipped under the radar is very suspicious.In our investigation one of the individuals we located and interviewed was Steven Martin son of Shirley Martin the first real independent private researcher of the events of November 22,1963.Martin told me that within 2 weeks of President Kennedy's assassination he along with his Mother and his sister had met with Ruth Paine at her house.Martin described Ruth Paine as a very scary woman.Very cold and calculating.Martin went on to tell how years after there meeting with Ruth Paine Shirley Martin along with her son Steven and his sister had gone to Washington D.C. and had made a request at the FBI Headquarters to see any files that might involve her research and study of the assassination.Deep within the files that she was given to look at she found personal letters from Ruth Paine to J.Edger Hoover (AKA Mary Hoover) LOL, that mentioned Shirley Martin and the visit to her home.Paine had referred to Shirley Martin as a "nut case". So it showed that Ruth Paine was reporting directly to the FBI director within weeks after the assassination.And then we have the words from Lee Oswald during his interrogation when Roger Craig had told that he had seen Oswald getting into a Rambler Station wagon and Oswald's reply was "that car belongs to Mrs. Paine don't try to drag her into this". And we know there was a connection between George de Mohrenschildt and the Paine's. And we know of Ruth Paine's deep family connections to the CIA. And then there was the phone call the night of the assassination that was tapped and recorded of Michael Paine saying to Ruth Paine "we know who was behind this" .And I have always believed they were referring to George de Mohrenschildt ..So many RED flags but no deep investigation of Ruth or Michael Paine.They just sailed under the radar !!!!
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Re: Ruth and Machael Paine !!!

Postby kenmurray » Mon May 16, 2016 2:57 pm

Steve Martin appeared on Jim Fetzer's show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PO4j2-5rUI
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Re: Ruth and Machael Paine !!!

Postby JDThomas » Mon May 16, 2016 3:58 pm

Although Dulles was married, he had multiple affairs throughout his life. One of his lengthier dalliances was with Mary Bancroft. He met her in Switzerland and brought her into the OSS. Mary Bancroft admitted that she was friends from an early age with Ruth Forbes Paine. In fact, Mary Bancroft and Ruth Forbes remained friends for a very long time. So when she divorced her first husband, Ruth and her new husband Arthur Young were still friendly with Bancroft. Ruth Forbes was the mother of Michael Paine, and mother-in-law to Ruth Paine. This was the Quaker couple who befriended the Oswalds in 1963 and separated Marina from Lee after their return to Dallas from New Orleans. After Oswald's arrest, that separation enabled Ruth to have much control over Oswald's possessions, which were left in the Paine garage. Some of this turned into dubious, yet incriminating evidence against him e.g. the infamous backyard photographs.


So with Dulles being the mos active Warren Commission member, is it any one that this was convieniently swept under the carpet, or else another coincidence too far!
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Re: Ruth and Machael Paine !!!

Postby Tommy Wilkens » Tue May 17, 2016 1:43 pm

JD if you can believe this we found a letter from George de Mohrenschildt that told that he and Allen Dulles had several private lunch meetings together during the de Mohrenschildt's testimonies before The Warren Commission. Once this was known the RED FLAGS should have been going up in ever corner across the board.What this amounted to was the old spy master was schooling and coaching one of his oldest foot soldiers.There is very little doubt that in these private lunch meetings Dulles was instructing George de Mohrenschildt to deny any and all knowledge of anything remotely associated with the assassination or The Central Intelligence Agency .The lid was on tight. Allen Dulles and George de Mohrenschildt had known each other since early 1954.Researching depositions from the House Select Committee on Assassinations we found one from a very mysteries individual named William Gaudet.In Gaudet's deposition he tells that George de Mohrenschildt had used an alias in an undercover capacity while working for the Central Intelligence Agency using the name Philip Harbin.
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Re: Ruth and Machael Paine !!!

Postby kenmurray » Tue May 17, 2016 2:11 pm

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Re: Ruth and Machael Paine !!!

Postby kenmurray » Tue May 17, 2016 2:54 pm

Tommy Wilkens wrote:JD if you can believe this we found a letter from George de Mohrenschildt that told that he and Allen Dulles had several private lunch meetings together during the de Mohrenschildt's testimonies before The Warren Commission. Once this was known the RED FLAGS should have been going up in ever corner across the board.What this amounted to was the old spy master was schooling and coaching one of his oldest foot soldiers.There is very little doubt that in these private lunch meetings Dulles was instructing George de Mohrenschildt to deny any and all knowledge of anything remotely associated with the assassination or The Central Intelligence Agency .The lid was on tight. Allen Dulles and George de Mohrenschildt had known each other since early 1954.Researching depositions from the House Select Committee on Assassinations we found one from a very mysteries individual named William Gaudet.In Gaudet's deposition he tells that George de Mohrenschildt had used an alias in an undercover capacity while working for the Central Intelligence Agency using the name Philip Harbin.



Like I said before Tommy you need to be on Black Op Radio with Len Osanic to discuss George de M!
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Re: Ruth and Machael Paine !!!

Postby Tommy Wilkens » Tue May 17, 2016 11:57 pm

Thank you Ken..Let me say this,,,I want to go on nation wide and reveal what our investigation has found.My wife and myself stepped up to the plate .We went to The Netherlands and there in the Willem Oltmans archives we found George de Mohrenschildts hand written letters.Held them right in our own hands. This was the individual who was Lee Harvey Oswald's closest friend leading up to the assassination of President Kennedy.George was very protective in what he said and did.He was trained he knew his role and he was a seasoned operative.That's why they chose him.His relationship with Oltmans was sexual and because of that there was a deep trust formed that went on for over 10 years.Three to four times a year each year for over 10 years Oltmans stayed and was the de Mohrenschildts house guest.It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what was going on.We could feel it in his letters.de Mohrenschildts wife Jeanne knew it was going on and hated it.But she knew it. The 2 men would slip away to a known homosexual spot near the de Mohrenschildt's apartment. Jeanne busted them over and over again.She would have huge out bursts and she forbid George from going with Oltmans again.But the 2 men kept doing it. It's all right there to read and see.We found it !!! And finally old George broke down under the pressure of what he shouldered for so many years.He trusted Oltmans and off they went to The Netherlands and finally to Brussels Belgium.de Mohrenschildt had begged Oltmans to help him some way to tell all he knew but he feared prison.Oltmans was very close with several Russian diplomats.It's our thought that the finally meeting in Brussels Belgium was a plea to spirit de Mohrenschildt out of Europe and into behind the Iron Curtain never to be heard or seen again.But that's not what happened.With in one month de Mohrenschildt was dead. A supposed suicide .Shot gun blast in the mouth.Upward angle no exit wound.The De Mohrenschildt autopsy report seems consistent with a suicide but left some doubt and
some strange unanswered questions. The death scene photos showed clearly that there was
no exit wound in De Mohrenschildt's head even though he supposedly had placed the double
barrel Ithaca shotgun in his mouth and fired one barrel loaded with Western # 9 shot into the
roof of his mouth. And the Palm Beach Sheriffs Office did a finger print study of the shotgun and NO latent finger prints were found any where on the shotgun.No finger prints were found on the gun.In our investigation we went to Palm Beach County and were told there is no file on George de Mohrenschildt's death.We were told there is no file left.We were told it all has been destroyed.And there is much more.We refused to stop there .We found a person in the Coroners Office who agreed to do some inside behind the scenes looking for us concerning the death of George de Mohrenschildt .Within several days our inside contact advised us they could do no more concerning this case.They had been threatened if they wanted to keep there job that should not look any further.The cover-up continues !!!!
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Re: Ruth and Machael Paine !!!

Postby kenmurray » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:29 pm

Well this should be interesting. A new documentary on the Paines coming in the future. On the lone nut side it has Max Holland and Prescilla Johnson McMillan. On our side it has Jim DiEugenio, Gary Aguilar,Bill Simpich and others:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/11 ... -mrs-paine


P.S. However the name of the documentary should be changed to The Patsy And Mrs. Paine!
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