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throat wound

Postby J M Nunn » Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:04 pm

How coincidental was it that JFK had the frontal throat wound below the Adam's Apple exactly where he would need a tracheotomy at Parkland which would later confuse as to whether he had a wound there at all? And did the doctors at Parkland retrieve any material behind the wound in his throat? Thanks.
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Re: throat wound

Postby Dealey Joe » Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:32 am

Hello JM, I think there is no evidence for a frontal wound, ie no damage.

The so called cut in the throat was far too large for a trache
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Re: throat wound

Postby steve manning » Fri Dec 25, 2015 4:44 am

"No Evidence for a frontal throat wound." I respectfully disagree. You must have completely different definition for the "Evidence"
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Re: throat wound

Postby J M Nunn » Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:28 pm

that is my understanding Steve, I think there's plenty of first hand testimony as to a throat wound being covered by the trach. I just thought it was an interesting detail.
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Re: throat wound

Postby Dealey Joe » Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:34 pm

Let me change my wording a little.

No evidence of a Shot from the front?
I agree there was a wound in the throat, Doctors could not say it was an entry wound, yes in the heat of the few minutes it did look like an entry. My opinion is the larger gash is a probe to see if there was actual damage.

If it had been a solid shot from the front the spine would have suffered extensive damage and the neck would have lost control, which it did not if the Z Film is believable and others?
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Re: throat wound

Postby Bob » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:20 pm

For many years, I always believed that JFK was shot in the throat from a shot from the front. It wasn't until Jimmy Files said that the throat wound actually came from exiting shrapnel from the mercury bullet he used from his Fireball, that I changed my opinion. I now believe that it was a shot in the back that caused JFK to throw up his hands towards his upper chest area and not a shot in the throat.

Two points here. I have had severe back issues ever since a bad auto wreck a number of years ago. When my back was examined by doctors, sometimes just the slightest poke would cause my arms to fly up near my chest area. It still happens when my wife accidentally pokes me in the back in bed. It's a natural reaction for people with back issues. Remember that JFK had a history of back problems and was wearing a back brace that day.

Also, do you see any blood in the throat area in the Zapruder film when JFK's arms go up? Even in close ups? The answer is no.

I believe the doctors at Parkland initially believed the wound to be an entrance wound because the wound was so small. Their main focus was on the massive head wound. I doubt very seriously if many of these doctors had ever worked on a patient who had been shot by a mercury round (exploding bullet) like JFK had.

We also know that JFK had small shrapnel wounds on his face as well. How do we know this? Because Thom Robinson was present at Bethesda the evening of the assassination for both the pre-autopsy procedure done on JFK and the actual autopsy.

Please take a look at Robinson's notes:

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Robinson also saw the doctors at Bethesda trace the massive head wound to the throat wound.
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Re: throat wound

Postby J M Nunn » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:30 pm

New information for me, thanks to all of you. The assassination is endlessly fascinating to me and incredibly sad. Like others I think we've never recovered from it as a nation in many ways.
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Re: throat wound

Postby Bob » Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:20 pm

J M Nunn wrote:New information for me, thanks to all of you. The assassination is endlessly fascinating to me and incredibly sad. Like others I think we've never recovered from it as a nation in many ways.


No problem, J M. Glad to have you here. That is what great about this forum. We share viewpoints. There may not be agreement on everyone of them, but that's to be expected. We have had some of the very best in the JFK assassination research world post their takes here on various subject matter over the years. We also have some very good out-of-the-box thinkers here. Some of the exceptional research we have done has been brought to attention of the JFK assassination research world. Research that has been talked about on Black Op radio among other places.

We also have a very good reputation in terms of the decorum which is followed in this forum, as opposed to other JFK assassination forums.
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Re: throat wound

Postby Bob Jonas » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:17 pm

I wonder if anyone could direct me to where Files suggests the throat wound to be from the mercury load? I too believe it to be the case, but don't recall James stating it. Thanx.
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Re: throat wound

Postby Bob » Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:07 pm

Wim has posted a number of times that Jimmy Files told him that he believed the throat wound came from his mercury bullet fired from his Fireball. As in exiting shrapnel.

Here is part of a post from Wim earlier this year about this subject:

William Turner saw in 1967 that the frontal shot was a mercury bullet. How right he was!

"It was, in fact, the frontal fire that did the dreadful job. The explosive head shot that snapped the President's head backward and literally blew his brains into the air could not have been the effect of a high-velocity rifle bullet fired from the rear - such bullets pierce cleanly (a nurse at Parkland Hospital said then when doctors attempted a tracheotomy on the President, the damage was so great the tube pushed out the back of his head). It was the effect of a nasty hollow-nose mercury fulminate bullet, generally known as a "dum dum," which explodes on impact. Although outlawed by the Hague Convention, exploding bullets are favored by guerrilla fighters. An ex-CIA agent who received paramilitary training from the Agency advises that the CIA supplied this type of bullet to the anti-Castro forces it trained."

Note that the tracheotomy tube came out of the back of the head. It was just following the trajectory of whatever caused the throat wound. Exactly coinciding with what Thom Robinson observed during the autopsy in Bethesda.

I have conducted a video interview with Thom Robinson, wherein he states that the gaping hole in JFK's skull was probed with a tiny probe and that one of those probes from INSIDE the skull came out at the throat wound ! That's why he told me that he has always been very quiet about this, but that he has chuckled for all those years at the conspiracy buffs who claim JFK was shot in the throat from the front. He knew better since 1963. And I know better since I spoke to him. I should have known better earlier by listening to Jimmy, instead of to the JFK research community, and what they have brainwashed themselves with. I too was a victim of what I wanted to believe, and looked so self-evident.

This is what James Files told me he believes caused the throat wound. The throat wound was caused by an exiting fragment , maybe even a drop of mercury from his mercury explosive bullet. Mercury is a heavy liquid metal. (The tiny perforations in JFK's face, as observed by embalmer Thom Robinson, were also the result of exiting mercury drops in my opinion)
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THROAT WOUND:

Postby Bruce Patrick Brychek » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:09 pm

12.26.2015

Dear JFK Murder Solved Forum Members and Readers:

11.25.2015 - J M Nunn Posted this Repetitive Headline. This Subject Matter is extremely well
developed in many other locations on the JFKMS Forum. As always, I recommend that you carefully
and thoroughly read, review, and study Wim's JFKMS Forum. Use the Subject Matter Searcher. Wim,
My Friend, has done, and maintained a Work Of Art. The Very Best in The JFK Research Community.
Wim's and my perspective sometimes differ. We agree about 90% of the time. The JFK Throat Wound
is an example of where Wim strongly disagreed, wrote, and published against the Opinion's of both J
and B. We didn't call each other names, etc. Wim later changed his opinion after finding New Evidence
that changed his opinion. My Opinion.

J was extremley experienced with both Head Shots and Mercury Loads. When he was later advised and
questioned about JFK's Throat Wound J responded "… that it could be Exit Blast or Exit Schrapnel from his
Mercury Load" in one of our documented, recorded interviews.

A short discussion has begun again here by some Excellent JFKMS Moderator's and Member's. Unfortunately,
this discussion has popped up several times over the JFKMS Forum, in disjointed discussions that keep
starting and stopping, instead of being completely and properly developed and discussed in one easy to
find location. That is why I recommend the use of the Subject Matter Searcher on the JFKMS Forum.

Bob Fox and Joe Hall, both Excellent Moderator's and Member's are both extremely close, confidential friends
of both J and B, as are Ken Murray and Phil Dragoo. These four (4) men have been extremely loyal, long time,
strong, confidant's and supporter's of J and B. My Opinion.

Bob Fox Thank you for your numerous, repeated efforts to re-review this Subject Matter here on the JFKMS
Forum. That is another example of why you are The Great Moderator that you are on the JFKMS Forum.

12.26.2015 - Bob Jonas asks to be directed to J's Comment's about JFK's throat wounds.

Bob Jonas read FILES ON JFK, the 2005 Masterpiece Book by our friend, William Dankbaar, page 344, from
a 03.26.2005 B Post and Headline Posted on JFKMS Forum by B. This was Posted after a Documented Private
Interview between J and B.

Bob Jonas you will note that from our Confidential, Personal, Private Interview between J and B, J's comment's
and thoughts were Posted by B on Wim's JFKMS Forum by B at J's Specific Request. Wim Re-Printed this JFKMS
Forum Post in his book FILES ON JFK with no objection by us.

J and B have conducted Several Hundred Live Interviews that Virtually Nobody Knows Anything About.

Bob Jonas additionally check the JFKMS Forum. Years ago I sought to get traction for an Annual JFKMS JFK
Meeting. I originally suggested Chicago, then later perhaps Dallas.

Comment's ran the gamut of meeting in Disney Land, Disney World, Las Vegas, etc. ZERO interest
in Chicago. And though I often tried to revive My Ideas and Suggestion for nearly ten (10) years, it
never came to fruition. WE LOST ALL INTEREST, AND DREW A LINE IN THE SAND, TAKING A TOTALLY
DIFFERENT DIRECTION FROM WHICH WE OVERALL HAVE NOT DEVIATED FROM.

We began thinking outside of the box.

If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got. My Opinion.

I was not going to CROSS State of Illinois Land and Legal Lines with material that I was going to present,
including some of our Many Unseen and Unpublished Documents, Interviews, Letters, Memos, Notes, Photos,
Recordings, Videos, etc.

Both D and R were present and participated in many of our Interviews. They obviously know who they are,
as do some of our other Close, Confidential, Personal and Business Friends. Omerta'.

After 1993 and 2003 J and B began Drawing Lines In The Sand. In addition, advice from advisor's and
attorney's supported SILENCE IS GOLDEN. CONFESSIONS OF AN ASSASSIN, and FILES ON JFK presented
many more problems than solutions for us since 1993.

Also, J to a great degree, and myself to a lesser degree have been called a Con-Artist, Fraud, Hoax,
Liar, Scam Artist, Searching for Fame, Money, and/or Notoriety, 15 Minutes of Fame, etc. As of today
both J and B have never made a penny, nickel, dime, or dollar relative to The JFK Removal. In fact it
has cost us effort, energy, money, time, and unbelievable headaches, and heartaches over the decades.
Was it really woth it ? What was really accomplished ? How many American's really care or understand ?
HISTORY BOOKS WILL NEVER BE CHANGED.

Wim first totally disagreed with J and B about JFK's Throat Wound. Wim and B discussed this on the phone,
and/or in person, and/or in Emails many times. Looking back we understand Wim's thought processes better.
Wim was a researcher and witer. J was an experienced sniper and assassin.

Wim later uncovered evidence that JFK's Right Temple Entry tracked out his throat and face. JFK's face
also had Schrapnel Exit Wounds as J originally predicted, but we never discussed or released these thoughts
back then.

Obviously JFK"S Wound Track's Were Covered Up, and or Ignored by many.

JFK''s THROAT WOUND WAS AN EXIT WOUND.

And in addition,

THERE WAS NO THROUGH AND THROUGH BULLET HOLE IN THE JFK FRONT WINDSHIELD. THAT HAS BEEN
COVERED IN DEPTH HERE BOTH ON THE JFKMS FORUM BY JOE HALL, AND OTHERS, including myself, again
in several different locations, incomplete and disjointed here on JFKMS Forum.

Any additional analyses, interviews, investigations, readings, research, studies, thoughts, or writings on
any aspect of this Subject Matter ?

Bear in mind that we are trying to attract and educate a Whole New Generation of JFK Researcher's who
may not be as well versed as you.

Comments ?

Respectfully,
BB.
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Re: throat wound

Postby kenmurray » Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:06 pm

Here is an interesting site on the JFK throat wound:

http://www.jfksouthknollgunman.com
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