WACO, TEXAS WHAT HAPPENED THERE

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WACO, TEXAS WHAT HAPPENED THERE

Postby Dealey Joe » Wed May 27, 2015 6:20 pm

Is the Waco event another show of power by the government, similar to the Murder of JFK in plain sight? This time on national TV. Was this the first time the government use armed forces against it's own citizens? I think we overlook the imporrtance of this event.

On February 28th, 1993, about 70 highly militarized agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) approached Mount Carmel, the compound of a controversial Branch Davidian religious group near Waco. Six months earlier, agents had convinced the cult's leader, David Koresh, that he should cooperate with their investigation into his "gun business," by inviting them to see his weapons.

When Koresh came to the front door on the 28th of February, shots were fired — to this day, no one is sure who fired first. Koresh was hit in his side, and his father-in-law was mortally wounded. Overhead, helicopters began to spray the compound with return fire against aggressive compound members, killing four more.

Later that day, agents killed another Davidian who approached the compound. Four ATF agents were killed and another 16 were wounded that day. A 51-day standoff was in the making.

Following the February 28th shoot-out with federal agents, Koresh and his followers locked themselves inside the compound. The FBI and ATF then deemed the site a hostage situation, and Koresh's paranoia about the government as the agent of Satan increased dramatically.

Koresh quickly contacted the media and participated in several live interviews with CNN about how the ATF had endangered his "flock of sheep." He emphasized the number of children who lived in the compound and said that he had been shot and was bleeding severely. He was planning to die for his cause.

By that time, the ATF was reinforced by local Texas Rangers, police officers, members of the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team (HRT), the FBI's Special Agent in Charge (SAC) from the San Antonio office, a bomb squad, and numerous U.S. marshals. The media began to arrive in swarms. President Bill Clinton endorsed a negotiated settlement, and 10 children were released, including a baby. The FBI moved armored vehicles to the compound's perimeter.

The day after the first gun battle, Koresh made a tape of his teachings and promised to surrender if the recording were broadcast on national television. Agents agreed to his demands and the tape was broadcast on the Christian Broadcasting Network; however, Koresh went against his word, stating that God had told him to wait.

Negotiations continued over the next several days. Koresh's earlier deceptive agreement with agents gave him little leverage for any more demands, and he simply tired agents with his continual nonsense. He continued to make rambling religious statements interspersed with threats of violence.

The FBI became concerned that the Davidians would commit mass suicide. Negotiations dragged on.

The 51-day stand-off

Following the February 28th shoot-out with federal agents, Koresh and his followers locked themselves inside the compound. The FBI and ATF then deemed the site a hostage situation, and Koresh's paranoia about the government as the agent of Satan increased dramatically.

Koresh quickly contacted the media and participated in several live interviews with CNN about how the ATF had endangered his "flock of sheep." He emphasized the number of children who lived in the compound and said that he had been shot and was bleeding severely. He was planning to die for his cause.

By that time, the ATF was reinforced by local Texas Rangers, police officers, members of the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team (HRT), the FBI's Special Agent in Charge (SAC) from the San Antonio office, a bomb squad, and numerous U.S. marshals. The media began to arrive in swarms. President Bill Clinton endorsed a negotiated settlement, and 10 children were released, including a baby. The FBI moved armored vehicles to the compound's perimeter.

The day after the first gun battle, Koresh made a tape of his teachings and promised to surrender if the recording were broadcast on national television. Agents agreed to his demands and the tape was broadcast on the Christian Broadcasting Network; however, Koresh went against his word, stating that God had told him to wait.

Negotiations continued over the next several days. Koresh's earlier deceptive agreement with agents gave him little leverage for any more demands, and he simply tired agents with his continual nonsense. He continued to make rambling religious statements interspersed with threats of violence.

The FBI became concerned that the Davidians would commit mass suicide. Negotiations dragged on.

Koresh's apocalypse

On April 17, fed up with unreliable negotiations, newly sworn attorney general Janet Reno approved the use of chlorobenzylidene malononitrile (CS) gas to end the six-week standoff. CS gas was miserably uncomfortable on contact, but it would not harm anyone (unless ventilation was shut off, in which case death could result), including the 23 children that remained inside.

At dawn on Monday morning, April 19, 1993, the FBI phoned the compound to warn those inside about what was to occur. Three minutes after the initial call, two combat engineering vehicles approached the buildings, easily punched holes into the walls, and began to spray tear gas, pressurized by noncombustible carbon dioxide, through nozzles, into the compound. Davidians began to fire at the tanks, and other approaching agents, but no damage was done.

Nine Bradley vehicles, an Abrams tank, and a squad of choppers were positioned nearby for additional backup. Everyone involved in the process was under orders that if children were in any way endangered, the procedure was to be aborted.

Branch Davidian compound in flames

Then around 12 p.m., while the FBI was reloading tear gas and other munitions for a second wave of assaults, the compound suddenly caught on fire and the flames spread fast. Agents next to the buildings heard gunfire and assumed that Koresh's followers had decided to end it all with a mass suicide. An HRT agent later claimed that he had seen someone light a fire in front of the building, and several ear-splitting explosions from within erupted into a black, billowy cloud of smoke.

Texas winds unleashed terror that day, and the fire quickly began to possess the compound. People were heard screaming as they ran for life out of the flames. Of the remaining followers, only nine emerged. One woman was seen running out of the compound, partially on fire, then turned back to reenter the flames. HRT agents grabbed her, and extinguished her burning clothes.

By 12:45, the compound fire had subsided enough for agents to assess the situation. Incinerated bodies, an arsenal of more than 100 firearms and 400,000 rounds of ammunition were eventually recovered from the scene. Nineteen men, 34 women, and 23 children died that day. Many of the victims had died from gunshot wounds and one child had been stabbed to death.

About 100 survivors and relatives of the deceased filed suit against the federal government for $675 million, alleging that agents had used excessive force to end the 51-day siege. Investigations later pointed at FBI and ATF agents for wrongfully deploying the force of tear gas (CS gas).

Because the gas was known to be flammable, allegations against the ATF were made public, and court hearings proceeded. A Texas jury found the blame of the incident to rest solely on Koresh and his followers.
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Re: WACO, TEXAS WHAT HAPPENED THERE

Postby kenmurray » Wed May 27, 2015 7:25 pm

Waco: The Untold Story.....

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=137
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WACO, TEXAS WHAT HAPPENED THERE

Postby Bruce Patrick Brychek » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:47 pm

03.28.2017:

Dear JFK Murder Solved Forum Members and Readers:

05.27.2015 - Mr. Joe "Dealey Joe" Hall, both an Excellent Long Time Moderator and Member of the JFKMS Forum,
and an Excellent Long Time Researcher, Student, and Writer of JFK and Related Subject Matters Posted this Very
Important Headline.

ABUSE OF POWER BY GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND AGENTS, HIDING IN PLAIN SITE is a recurring theme in our
country for many decades now.

Medina, Ruby Ridge, Waco, JFK, MX, MLK, RFK, the Oklahoma Bombing, 09.11.2001, and on, and on, and on.

AND WHAT ABOUT FOLLOW-UP INVESTIGATIONS AND JUSTICE ?

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE POWER, as told by Former Chief of Police, Darrell Graf, a Nationally recognized Author,
Lecturer, and Speaker in his book of the same name:

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE POWER.

Graf was recently an Invited Guest, Lecturer, and Author appearing at:

THE FIRST ANNUAL JIMMY FILES CONFERENCE AND SYMPOSIUM IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.

Graf's Book Signing, Lectures, and Speeches focused strongly on:

ABUSE OF POWER BY GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND AGENTS, HIDING IN PLAIN SITE.

THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE, PLEASE, NONE OF THESE ABUSES OF POWER BY GOVERNMENT
AGENCIES AND AGENTS CAN EVER BE OPENED. 03.28.2017. BB.

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THE FIRST ANNUAL JIMMY FILES CONFERENCE AND SYMPOSIUM, CHICAGO ILLINOIS, 03.12.2017 - 03.19.2017:
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THE FIRST ANNUAL INVITATION ONLY JAMES EARL SUTTON-FILES CONFERENCE AND SYMPOSIUM just concluded after occurring over several days in Chicago, Illinois from 03.12.2017 - 03.19.2017.

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Mr. David Armstrong and his Production Company were responsible for Creating, Designing, Developing, Directing, and Producing this Event, and All Connected Upcoming Events, Productions, and Publications. James Earl Sutton-Files, and Bruce Patrick Brychek Assisted Armstrong and All Invited Lecturer’s and Speaker’s.

This Invitation Only, Private Event was created, designed, developed, directed, outlined, and presented for the benefit, education, enrichment, and interaction of all invited Advisors, Attorneys, Authorities, Law Enforcement Experts, Producers, Researchers, and Writers.

Armstrong was Introduced by Brychek, the Assistant Master of Ceremonies and Assistant Host, during his Introductory Overview.

Armstrong then encapsulated and reviewed the developments and related events before, during, and after that contributed to, and supported the Removal of President John F. Kennedy on 11.22.1963 in Dallas, Texas, up to and including Present Time.

The Complete Several Days of presentations, re-enactments, and review of both known and unknown facts, information, participants, planning, results, and follow-up, both immediately, and as time went on, were presented In A Total Overview in this Manner FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER ANYWHERE.

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Jimmy Files, a/k/a James Earl Sutton-Files, the Host and Master of Ceremonies made Opening and Closing Presentations, with several other inter-active appearances with many of the Lecturer’s and Speaker’s over the next several days of the Conference and Symposium.

Files was Introduced by Brychek.

Files appeared, presented, and spoke several times, each time WITH NO NOTES, meticulously addressing a wide variety of Subject Matters.

Files was applauded for his Calm, Collected, Cool, Patient, Professional, and Thoughtful Presentations which amazed everyone present, each and every time that he addressed the audience composed of Invited Special Guests.

Files touched on and connected many known or obvious facts that both have been, and never been associated or connected with accurate, documented, exaggerated, false, phony, and/or planted evidence, facts, interrogatories, interviews, photos, and writings, etc.

Files brilliantly and patiently tried to sort through mountains of confusing facts and information in an effort to thread many needles and connect many dots.

Files also fielded and responded unflinchingly to many questions and theories from the Audience of the Invited Special Guests from the Most Mundane and Convoluted Theories, to the Most Advanced Levels of Thinking.

Files received a Standing Ovation at the Conclusion of His Final Presentation.

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Bruce Patrick Brychek was Assistant Master of Ceremonies, and Assistant Host, Assisting Files, Armstrong, and all of the Lecturer’s and Speaker’s throughout the entire Event.

Brychek made all of the Introductions and Overviews of each Lecturer and Speaker, in addition to his own presentation in the beginning of the event.

Brychek began with a Lengthy, Impressive Fact and Information Filled Introduction to Jimmy Files, a/k/a James Earl Sutton-Files, and each and every Lecturer and Speaker thereafter.

Brychek also assisted with many presentations of many of the Lecturer’s and Speaker’s spanning the next several days.

Brychek later did another Lengthy, Impressive Fact and Information Filled Overview of THE COMING STORM BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER THE REMOVAL OF JFK ON 11.22.1963 IN DALLAS, TEXAS, THAT HAS SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN BURIED IN THE MUD AND QUICK SANDS OF MODERN TIMES.

Brychek, at times, focused on an Overriding Theme: Why was JFK Killed ? Who Benefitted ? Who Had The Power To
Cover It Up ?

Brychek Brilliantly, in Contrapuntal and Erudite Fashion, attempted to PRESENT A HELICOPTER VIEW, OR 10,000 FOOT VIEW, OF THE COMING STORM, BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER THE REMOVAL OF JFK AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS, CONNECTING TO THE OBVIOUS CONTINUED COVER-UP OF PRESENT TIMES: OBFUSCATION, FADE TO BLACK, BLACKOUT.

Brychek received a Standing Ovation at the Conclusion of His Final Presentation.

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Mr. Darrell Graf, the former Chief of Police of Medina, North Dakota was an Invited Guest Lecturer and Speaker presenting many times over several days at THE FIRST ANNUAL JAMES EARL SUTTON-FILES CONFERENCE AND SYMPOSIUM.

Graf, author of IT’S ALL ABOUT POWER, was a stimulating and thought provoking speaker as he reviewed his book, and the 1983 disaster in Medina, North Dakota that Graf was involved in.

Graf reviewed the actions and the developments by the Federal Marshall’s, the FBI, and all city, county, state, and other Federal Law Enforcement Agencies involved before, during, and after this event in Medina, North Dakota, up to and including the ramifications of the present time.

Graf alleged that the disjointed communication, efforts, and ego’s contributed to that fateful day, which was prior to Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, and 09.11.2001.

Graf compared and contrasted masterfully the disjointed efforts of various city, county, state, and federal law enforcement agencies inability and unwillingness to work together, as occurred in both Medina, North Dakota in 1983, and Dallas, Texas on 11.22.1963 and beyond relating to The Removal of JFK.

Graf also excellently gathered and presented Questions from both the Audience and Law Enforcement Agents that he received input from over the years.

Graf received a Standing Ovation at the Conclusion of His Final Presentation.

NEITHER THE JFK OR GORDON KAHL CASE OR MATTER HAS BEEN RE-OPENED OR REVIEWED. AND MOST LIKELY NEVER WILL.

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Mr. Richard L. Potter, an Interviewer, Investigator, Reader, Researcher, Speaker, and Writer about The JFK Removal began his personal interest in, and study of, The JFK Removal over 40 years ago, made many outstanding presentations and overviews spanning several days.

Potter presented and thoroughly reviewed, with Assistance from Files and Brychek, Various Separate Lectures and Presentations:

Potter was ABSOLUTELY ANALYTICAL, BRILLIANT, EDUCATIONAL, INSTRUCTIVE, AND MASTERFUL IN HIS WEAPONS PRESENTATIONS.

POTTER PRESENTED THE FOLLOWING LIVE WITH INTER-ACTIVE, IN-DEPTH, HIGHLY INFORMATIVE PRESENTATIONS.

* 3 Remington XP-100 Fireballs: 2 circa 1962, and 1 circa 1963 models.

* Chambers for both .221 and .222 Rounds.

* Empty, Live, and Spent Rounds for both .221 and .222 Caliber’s.

* All Components Necessary for Mercury Filled Hollow Points, How They Are Made, and How They Work Ballistically.

* The Exact circa 1940’s Model of the Manlicher Carcano allegedly used by Lee Harvey Oswald, and found in the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository on 11.22.1963.

* The Exact circa 1940’s issued Rounds for the Manlicher Carcano.

* The Exact Clips for the circa 1940’s Manlicher Carcano.

* The Exact Model of the .38 Revolver allegedly taken from Lee Harvey Oswald in the Texas Theatre during his arrest on 11.22.1963.

* The Exact Rounds for the .38 Revolver.

Potter received a Standing Ovation at the Conclusion of His Final Presentation.

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A very close personal friend of both Files and Brychek gave an Overview Presentation about LOUIS POSADA CARRILLES PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS with him, both while he was in prison, and after his release from prison by George H. W. Bush.

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A very close personal friend of both Files and Brychek gave an Overview Presentation about ROBERT “TOSH” PLUMLEE’S PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS with him.

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Other Lecturer’s and Speaker’s Covered and Reviewed the Multitude of Conflicting Facts and Theories that have Aimlessly Abounded in the 54 years since the Removal of JFK on 11.22.1963.

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Concluding remarks Overviewed the Upcoming and Developing Projects of Files and Brychek, including Autobiographies-Biographies-Memoirs, Interviews, and Presentations in a variety of forums.
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As always, I strongly recommend that you first read, research, and study material completely yourself about a Subject Matter, and then formulate your own Opinions and Theories.

Any additional analyses, interviews, investigations, readings, research, studies, thoughts,or writings on any aspect of this Subject Matter ?

Bear in mind that we are trying to attract and educate a Whole New Generation of JFK
Researchers who may not be as well versed as you.

Comments ?

Respectfully,
BB.
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Re: WACO, TEXAS WHAT HAPPENED THERE

Postby kenmurray » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:40 am

Not a coincidence in my opinion that Waco, OKC bombing, and Columbine school shootings ALL occurred on the same day April 19th!

The Columbine Shootings Examination - Evidence Of Satanism, The Occult, And Different Shooters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5O95tgmb8

Waco- A New Revelation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr9pQ1pIbiU

A Noble Lie: Oklahoma City 1995:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHDIhxeMOcI
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