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The Holy Land....

Postby Pennyworth » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:37 pm

21. One of the reasons the Warren Commission failed to properly investigate the murder of JFK was because of Arlen Specter (R-PA), a card carrying Zionist. He was then a “Special Counselâ€
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Postby Pennyworth » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:40 pm

[quote="Paul Pennyworth"]21. One of the reasons the Warren Commission failed to properly investigate the murder of JFK was because of Arlen Specter (R-PA), a card carrying Zionist. He was then a “Special Counselâ€
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Postby Dan » Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:34 pm

So Israel is the root cause for all violence - I THINK NOT! Wherever there is conflict there is a muslim - so what is the common cause?

AFGHANISTAN: The war in Afghanistan is ongoing. Since Soviet troops withdrew, various Afghan groups have tried to eliminate their rivals. Although the Taliban strengthened their position in 1998 they have not achieved their final objective. Afghanistan harbours Osama bin Ladin, a wealthy Saudi Arabia dissident responsible for terrorist acts around the world. On 11 September 2001 members from bin Ladin's el Qaeda group highjacked 4 passenger jets in the USA, crashing one into the Pentagon and 2 into the World Trade Center, killing more than 2,000 citizens. The USA and its allies declared war on terrorism and counter-attacked, removing the Taliban from power. The war on terrorism and the el Qaeda continues.

ALGERIA: Armed Islamic groups formed and since 1992 have carried out attacks on key economic points, security forces, officials and foreigners. In 1995 Algeria's first multiparty presidential elections were held and the incumbent president Liamine Zeroual won 60% of the votes in a poll with a 75% turnout. The first multiparty legislative elections were held in June 1997 which were won by the National Democratic Rally, which holds the majority of seats along with the FLN. Although the armed wing of the FIS declared a ceasefire in October 1997, an extremist splinter group, the Islamic Armed Group (GIA), continued attacks. There is also evidence that many attacks are carried out by militias backed by the Algerian security forces. After years of civil strife, Amnesty International estimates that around 80,000 people have died

The Caucasus and Russia: The Central Asian republics have a long history of conflicts. Fighting breaks out regularly between warlords and religious groups calling for the establishment of Islamic states outside the Russian Federation. Russia is trying to hold on to the federation because the Caucasus is a vital supply route for the oil riches of the Caspian and Black Sea. With the break-up of the Soviet Union various groups fought for control in the republics. Conflicts from one republic spills over to the other and they continually blame each other for attacks. Chechnya, still part of Russia, was flung in an almost full-scale war in 1994-96 and, after a disastrous campaign, Russia was forced to re-evaluate its involvement in the area. In August 1999 Russia stepped up security in the Caucasus region as rebels from within Dagestan - a small republic where more than 100 languages are spoken - went on the attack in support of Chechnyan Muslim groups who claim independence from Russia. In September 1999 Russia launched a ground invasion into the area to cut rebels off from Central Asian supply routes. By January 2000 Russia was once again involved in a full scale conflict in Chechnya. The Caucasus issue is complicated by the more than 50 different ethnic groups each insisting to proclaim their religious convictions on the area. The situation holds serious danger for neighbouring countries, Kazakhstan, Georgia and Russia itself.

EYGPT: Fundamentalist Muslim rebels seek to topple the secular Egyptian government. At least 1,200 people have perished since the beginning of the rebellion. The conflict was primarily waged as an urban guerrilla/terrorist war. The opposition Muslim Brotherhood took part in elections in 2000, indicating that they felt armed force would not work.

INDONESIA: The struggle on the Indonesia islands is complicated by leaders of pro- and anti-independence movements, and by religious conflicts. More than 500 churches have been burned down or damaged by Muslims over the past six years. Both the Christians and Muslims blame each other for the violence and attempts at reconciliation made little progress. After a bloody struggle East Timor gained independence in 1999. The hostilities on other islands continue to claim dozens of lives, to such an extent that the break-up of Indonesia seem imminent.

INDIA/PAKISTAN: Muslim separatists in the Indian section declared a holy war against the mostly-Hindu India and started attacks in 1989, mainly from Pakistan-occupied section of Kashmir, and from Pakistan and Afghanistan. The conflict continues, with Pakistan also crushing rebellions with brute force in their section.

IRAQ: Supports Islamic terrorist acts around the world. Differing culture and religious groups within Iraq continues to clash with Shiite Muslims.

ISRAEL: Within its own borders, Israel continues to battle various Muslim organizations that seek independence for a Palestine state, areas made up of the Gaza strip, West.Bank, and part of Jerusalem. There is heavy international pressure on Israel to recognise a Palestinian state. The area of what today is Palestine was settled by Semitic tribes at a very early date. It was then called Canaan, and controlled by Canaanite tribes for more than 1,000 years. In about 1500 BC Hebrew, or Jewish, tribes began to enter the area. They later came into conflict with a people of Greek origin known as the Philistines. It is from them that the term Palestine is derived.

IRAN: After the Iranian Revolution in 1979 toppled the government of the Shah, the Mujahadeen Khalq soon began a bloody guerrilla war against the new Islamic government. The Mujahadeen are currently based in Iraq and conduct cross-border raids into Iran, as well as conducting urban guerrilla operations in the cities and conducting political assassinations. Iran occasionally launches raids against Khalq bases in Iraq.

KOSOVO: The ethnic Albanian KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) in this Serbian province fought a guerilla war against Serbia to claim the region. Beginning in February 1999, Albanians were forced out of the province, prompting NATO to attack Serbia. By July 1999 Serb troops were forced out of Kosovo, only to open an avenue for Albanian Kosovars to attack Serb Kosovars. The Albanian Muslims have since burned down dozens of centuries-old Christian churches. In an effort to establish a Greater Albania, Albanian Muslim rebels also launched attacks in Macedonia.

NIGERIA: There are violent religious clashes in the city of Kaduna in northern Nigeria beginning February 21 2004 and have continued. Kaduna is the second largest city in the north. The clashes followed a march by tens of thousands of Christians to protest the proposal to introduce Muslim sharia law as the criminal code throughout Kaduna state. Reports speak of rival armed gangs of Christians and Muslims roving the streets. Churches and mosques have been put to the torch. Corpses were seen lying in the streets and people's bodies hanging out of cars and buses, apparently killed while attempting to flee the violence. Local human rights workers said that more than 400 had been killed as a result of the clashes.

SUDAN: The largest country in Africa, has been plagued by a succession of unstable civilian and military governments since it gained independence in 1956 from an Anglo-Egyptian condominium. The long-running conflict continues between the Arab Muslim northerners of Sudan, (the base of the government), and the African Christians of the south. In the mid-90s Sudan was home to Osama bin Ladin, the international terrorist responsible for the World Trade Center attack. It is estimated that more than 1,2 million people have been killed in the Sudan war, brining devastation to the Sudanese economy.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: At war with terrorism.

PHILIPPINES: The Phillipines armed forces, with assistance of US troops, are fighting Moslem rebels - they have been linked to Osama bin Laden's el Qaeda terrorist group - on the southern islands of the country. Muslim rebel groups seek autonomy/independence from the mostly Christian Philippines. One rebel group, the Abu Sayaf Group, is believed linked to Osama bin-Laden's Al-Qaida. This connection, plus their tactic of kidnapping and beheading Americans, led the United States to send Special Forces to aid the Philippine Army.
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Postby john geraghty » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:19 pm

Frankly I find the finger pointing at Jewish people and muslims quite revolting. Generalizations should be avoided.

I think it may be worth noting and researching the involvement of the US in all the countries Dan has listed above and how it has supported state sponsored terrorism in some of those countries.
See 'The War on Truth' by Nafeez Ahmed.

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Postby Dan » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:03 am

John,

If you find generalizations and finger pointing so "revolting" then why do you behave as you do?

The truth hurts doesn't it? The actions of the US that you despise are being validated every day by the behavior of the true face of Islam - must be driving the eurotrash and democrats nuts...

Did anyone ever tell you that you lecture in almost every post - please come down from your throne professor - do you really think anyone will heed your proselytization? (Pardon the lecture - I just couldn't resist)
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Postby john geraghty » Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:36 am

I do not despise the US, I have not said that I do. You do not know me and I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.

How do I behave? I have not made sweeping generalizations with regards to political partys.
I have 'discussed' my views on the war in Iraq with Dave Cannon, who I find to be a very nice guy, we don't agree on a lot of things, nevertheless I have not lectured him, nor have I lectured other members of the forum.

I had the pleasure of working and talking to many islamic groups and people within the US this last week and they are not as full of hate as you perceive them to be.

Elements and entities of the US government have supported and in some instances trained terrorist organisations in Africa, Asia and the middle east. Most notably training Mujahadeen forces during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, some of those including Osama Bin Laden. I do not blame this on the American people, nor do I blame it on the Republican or Democratic parties (though members of both were complicit). There is substance behind my interpretation, which is readily accessible for those that seek it.

I have no stable in which to keep this fictitious high horse of mine.
If you have an issue with anything I have said, please ask responses of me and find any flaws that may exist therein. I ask that we discuss issues and not personal interpretations or beliefs.

I find it tiring that so many who criticize US foreign policy are accused of hating America, this is simply false.
How can one hate an entire nation? I find even the concept incomprehensible, I judge people on their merits and actions.

Dan, if there is anything you wish to discuss, please address the issue. The question of my character is irrelevant.

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Postby Han Pfann » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:32 am

Mr. Geragthy,

I very much agree with you in that generalization is one great human error too often made and used as an exuse for further action. In my view the conflict in the middle-east is very, very complicated and almost uncomprihendible for us grown up in the western world. We tend to have rather short memories while in the middle east every-day life is still influenced by happenings centuries ago. family-feuds, started in the times of the crusades are still beiing fought today. The whole region was Turkish territory for centuries up until WW1. Then in 1916 Palestine became the "twice promised land" by the infamous Balfour Declaration. Large parts of what is now known as Israel were actually sold by Turkish owners to the first zionist settlers. To complicate things further after WW1 the British and French who ruled the then "Palestinian Mandate" very cleverly played "divide and rule" by placing in key positions members of families that had opposed each other for centuries. Nobody ever expected the 1947 UN resolution on the forming of Israel to reach a majority vote as nobody expected the USSR to vote in favour of it. Then nobody expected Israel to survive the heavily British and American supported onslaught of the Arabic world right after independence. Even the name "Palestinian" is a fraud as everybody living in the then Palistinian Mandate, Muslim, Christian, Jew, or unbeliever was called a Palestinian. I am not in favor of any faction in any conflict, I am only in favor of people living in respectfull harmony.

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Postby john geraghty » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:18 am

Han,
A very well thought out post and considerate to all sides. As awlays the historical context of modern conflicts should be re-examined and understood by all parties involved or not. As far as most people are concerned Israel has existed since they were born and that is good enough for them.
Far too often Palistinians are all generalised as terrorists.

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