JFK ASSASSINATION: THE JIM GARRISON TAPES.

[Dealey Joe]

What is it that we need to know about Jim Garrison?
How much did he really know about the conspiracy?
who was advising him?

[andries]

Robert Groden,Jim marrs,Mark lane they were all very pleased to have Jim on their side
Jim was one off the first and absolutely the most influentiel person off all reseachers.
Perhaps he did not fully find the detailed thruth,but he has set the course in great lines to the public.

http://www.jim-garrison.com/

[Phil Dragoo]

I recommend the section "The Obstruction of Garrison" by Jim DiEugenio on pages 16-50 of The Assassinations edited by Jim DiEugenio and Lisa Pease.

The highest levels of the FBI and CIA subverted Garrison's witnesses, planted moles on his team, pilfered his evidence, quashed his subpoenas, poisoned the press, and killed Ferrie.

Picture Helms asking at his morning briefing at Langley about "our people in New Orleans--are they being taken care of".

And it was Clay Shaw at Clinton with Ferrie and Oswald. Multiple witnesses.

The failing of the Stone film JFK was that the character of Garrison was displaced by the persona of actor Kevin Costner.

Garrison was a classic hero; a Hercules tasked to clean the Augean Stables.

Though he failed then, he succeeded in diverting a river of worldwide attention on the outrage.

Clay Shaw's defense team were CIA-linked. Page 47:

During the trial, a Teletype machine was moved into the New Orleans office to keep Langley aware of all developments in that proceeding as they happened.

Judging by the dense flak, Garrison was directly over the target.

[Dealey Joe]

Well it is 5:00am and I am having my first cup of coffee.
Jim is a very striking character and altho I think Costner as always did a great job
I am not sure it was possible for the real Jim to come through.
I am just trying to decide if Jim was a patriot or a politician just trying to make waves.
In either case he was very helpful in advancing people awareness of some of the facts
as they knew them at the time.
To us Jim Garrison will always be a hero.
I wonder where we would be if he had not been willing to do what he did?

[kenmurray]

David Atlee Phillips, Clay Shaw and Freeport Sulphur:

http://www.realhistoryarchives.com/coll ... t-cuba.htm

[andries]

I dont know exacly what,s wrong with Costner,but over here in holland Europe Kevin Costner is known as an esteemed actor, perhaps only anthony hopkins could have don better
but he was to old i ques.Costner did the heavy task verry well in my opinion.

I think it,s good to know that Jim had a lot off more obstacles and difficulties than researchers
do have now.

[Dealey Joe]

Costner is one of my favorite actors.
I look at Jim Garrison as a pioneer in the illumination of the conspiracy.

[Bob]

Mark Lane and Jim Garrison were the George Washington and Thomas Jefferson of the JFK assassination research community and were the founding fathers of the conspiracy movement.

[kenmurray]

Mark Lane and Jim Garrison were the George Washington and Thomas Jefferson of the JFK assassination research community and were the founding fathers of the conspiracy movement.

Your right Bob. I guess you can say also that on the other side Gary Mack is the Benedict Arnold of the JFK research community.

[andries]

I think quite some people would probably have done the same thing Gary Mack has done
He really doesn,t need to worry about his privat and financiel future anymore.
compare it with a Copperfield , Disney or all Star Wresling pricipel Managing Directer who,s job is only
to put up a good illusion
Deep in his heart and mind they are both locked off untill closing time off course, he knows mutch better, because in the past he has shown that he is a verry inteligent caracter who doesn,t need to work his life as a poor reseacher
Gary is silenced and not honest, bust most of all a verry happy man.

Can we blame him ? for being only human

[Dealey Joe]

I think quite some people would probably have done the same thing Gary Mack has done
He really doesn,t need to worry about his privat and financiel future anymore.
compare it with a Copperfield , Disney or all Star Wresling pricipel Managing Directer who,s job is only
to put up a good illusion
Deep in his heart and mind they are both locked off untill closing time off course, he knows mutch better, because in the past he has shown that he is a verry inteligent caracter who doesn,t need to work his life as a poor reseacher
Gary is silenced and not honest, bust most of all a verry happy man.

Can we blame him ? for being only human

Andries, Tell me where Gary Mack and his like fit into this formula.

2 1/2 % of the people are GOOD (seek out anf follow the TRUTH)
2 1/2 % are EVIL (LIARS and follow DECEPTION)
95 % are SHEEP and will follow any leader to a any grassy knoll

[Bob]

I have to disagree with you Andries about Gary Mack. Do we actually know that he's happy? Mack knows that he was bought and paid for by the dark side. I know that all human beings are different, but all I can do it imagine how I would feel if I had sold my ethical and journalistic soul for money. I wouldn't feel happy. In fact, I would not have done that at all. Vincent Bugliosi did the same thing with his bogus book on the JFK assassination. Again, all people are different, but I just couldn't imagine doing what Mack has done. In fact, Robert Groden was given an opportunity by the 6th Floor Museum at the TSBD to be hired, but Groden refused the job, as he was told that he would not be able to profess any conspiracy theory talk if he took the job. Good for Robert! However Mack DID take the job and his views about the assassination now are 180 degrees different than they were in TMWKK era. Benedict Arnold, Judas, Brutus...call him what you want, but Mack sold his soul.

[andries]

That,s verry complex to put people in a particulair catogorie Joe,
Garry is far to intelligent to be a convinced lonenutter,even my daschund knows that.
He has left huge marks on the assassionationtheorie and a lot off people including me off course.

The events that have past and the recent exelent situation garry is in now confirms also a little that he probably was on hot trails, at least he got some important and logical scary details by just conneting
the right things together.
He,s now the smartest sheep off them all
i wish he was on our side

.

[Dealey Joe]

I am convinced if you put up enough money and shine the largest spotlight he will come running.

[andries]

Bob, Joe, to be honest i dont know what i had done in gary,s place probably
take the money and run.
Gary knows more than enough, to know that it is better not to know or dig for some more
but he has a good picture off it all
main part i did agree with him an assassionation literally carried out by CIA or and SS

Bob
John lennon sold his rock image and soul his lether clothes just to perform harmless songs like love me do and please please me in a suite with a silly tie because brain epstein promised a few pennies more
I mean i really love the songs, but the outfit woh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkjGsG7tpwc
http://indorock.pmouse.nl/Hamburg_boots60.jpg



I see gary mack now as a funy old man who can not to be taken to seriusly enymore
But he left a great amount off information