OPERATION ZIPPER:

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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby Randy Bednorz » Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:05 pm

PYGMALION REDUX

Again, I must candidly emphasize this: You don't "know" that I chose to see a combination of Manchurian Candidate's Raymond Shaw and Dealey Plaza's Lee Harvey Oswald as similar to the Pygmalion myth before I discovered the "Carlos Contract" action-chapter. I know it. You can choose to believe it, or take it with "a grain of salt."

This myth has been in western literature since before Miguel Cervantes. George Bernard Shaw, the socialist playwright of the early 20th century, wrote the play "Pygmalion." The play became a basis for the Broadway musical -- "My Fair Lady." The myth has variations. Sometimes, it involves turning a work of art -- a statue, for instance -- into a living being. Other times, the myth turns the living being into a statue. In Shaw's version and that of the musical, there is an attempt to create a real-life replica of an ideal -- a refined lady -- by transforming a cockney tramp. The real-life story of Oswald seems much like the latter.

Page 165 ends with the beginning of a sentence: "Frank, do you remember telling me that you found only . . . . :"
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And think again. Would Phillips tell us candidly that the book on the shelf in the study is "Manchurian Candidate?" No, he wouldn't. Instead, he offers a higher level of generalization. The book containing the combination to a safe containing a terrorist plan is very much like "My Fair Lady."

The title of the Secret Wars chapter and re-print of the Carlos action-chapter just screams out for an interpretation:

"A Fictional Yet Authentic Entry . . . "

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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby Bob » Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:48 pm

Excellent insight again Randy. 8)
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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby Randy Bednorz » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:54 pm

DISTANT THUNDER

I've provided several re-caps -- summaries of the material I posted here. I want to repeat one of my earliest remarks on this thread. Assassination research, the myths about the assassination and the assassination itself have been politicized. Each new strand of evidence brings more rebuttal. Publish a seminal book -- someone else will quickly publish a misleading "last word."

There is no end to this discussion.

In 1999, Janet Reno was US Attorney General. There was an initiative in progress to extradite Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet from Spain to Britain, and from Britain to Chile. Reno, at the behest of the Moffitt and Tarpan families, sent droves of FBI investigators to Chile, bent on gathering evidence.

Reno posted regular updates on the US-DOJ website. The Moffitt and Tarpan families wanted Pinochet extradited to the US on charges that he ordered the assassination of Orlando Letelier in 1976. A car bomb had been placed under Letelier's car parked in Washington, DC's Sheridan Circle. Letelier's assistant, Ronnie Moffitt, was in the car with her husband when the bomb exploded. The husband, severely injured, survived the blast.

But once the outcome of the 2000 US Presidential election was determined, there were no more web-site updates about progress in extraditing Pinochet. You want to imagine how Pinochet would sing like a canary on the witness stand. Donald Freed ["Death in Washington: The Murder of Orlando Letelier," 1980] argues that David Atlee Phillips worked to plant false documents and phony evidence suggesting that Castro was behind the bombing. This seems like quite a surprise, because Phillips had been retired for about a year.

But whatever misinformation arose from that effort, it quickly unraveled as FBI agents connected the bombing to some Cuban-exiles and a Chilean citizen -- son of American expatriates -- named Michael Townley.

And Michael Townley? He had been Phillips' protege much like Oswald had been Phillips protege. He had been Phillips' protege during the effort to overthrow Salvador Allende. The Cubans spent a few years in jail. Townley's sentence was more of a slap on the wrist, and, if I remember correctly, he was escorted by the FBI to a plane for his return to Chile.

What beans might Pinochet have spilled?

In the early part of the decade, the [American] Public Broadcasting System (PBS) and National Public Radio (NPR) featured interviews with academics, researchers and other sources to resurrect the old cover-story that America had nothing to do with the overthrow of Salvador Allende and the ascendancy of the fascist Pinochet regime.

After the Frontline broadcasts, PBS posted document facsimiles that had been unearthed through an offshoot of the Clinton-era "JFK Records Collection Act" declassifications:

* A tape-transcript of a conversation between Henry Kissinger and Augusto Pinochet occurring in June, 1976, in which Pinochet hinted at a need to silence Letelier once and for all

* A CIA document, signed by David Atlee Phillips, ordering that operatives in Chile pull out all stops to overthrow Allende, including propaganda and black operations

NPR featured an interview with a scholar who argued that the man who was Director of CIA in 1976 had been guilty of a misprision of a felony, because the DCIA had foreknowledge that Chile's DINA intelligence service was seeking to silence Orlando Letelier with his assassination.

In "Night Watch," Phillips notes his utter surprise of the Chilean coup, stating he "had nothing to do with it."

I can post those documents here, just as I can post some declassifications about Oswald. But there is a point to all of it.

There would have been some measure of risk that Pinochet's witness-stand examination would raise other names, stirring the same pot of controversy highlighted by the public broadcast media a few years later.

Within a few weeks of those broadcasts, the GOP-dominated US Congress attempted to pass legislation starving PBS and NPR of federal funds.

But it hardly mattered. Even in Chile, Pinochet's trial proceeded with determinations that he was suffering from dementia. His mind was deteriorating from old age. He was -- supposedly -- unable to speak in his own defense.

With Pinochet's undoing, the new Chilean government enacted changes to the constitution barring political parties which had supported the dictator from participating in the country's political process for fifteen years.
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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby Bob » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:51 pm

Randy Bednorz wrote:DISTANT THUNDER

I've provided several re-caps -- summaries of the material I posted here. I want to repeat one of my earliest remarks on this thread. Assassination research, the myths about the assassination and the assassination itself have been politicized. Each new strand of evidence brings more rebuttal. Publish a seminal book -- someone else will quickly publish a misleading "last word."

There is no end to this discussion.

In 1999, Janet Reno was US Attorney General. There was an initiative in progress to extradite Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet from Spain to Britain, and from Britain to Chile. Reno, at the behest of the Moffitt and Tarpan families, sent droves of FBI investigators to Chile, bent on gathering evidence.

Reno posted regular updates on the US-DOJ website. The Moffitt and Tarpan families wanted Pinochet extradited to the US on charges that he ordered the assassination of Orlando Letelier in 1976. A car bomb had been placed under Letelier's car parked in Washington, DC's Sheridan Circle. Letelier's assistant, Ronnie Moffitt, was in the car with her husband when the bomb exploded. The husband, severely injured, survived the blast.

But once the outcome of the 2000 US Presidential election was determined, there were no more web-site updates about progress in extraditing Pinochet. You want to imagine how Pinochet would sing like a canary on the witness stand. Donald Freed ["Death in Washington: The Murder of Orlando Letelier," 1980] argues that David Atlee Phillips worked to plant false documents and phony evidence suggesting that Castro was behind the bombing. This seems like quite a surprise, because Phillips had been retired for about a year.

But whatever misinformation arose from that effort, it quickly unraveled as FBI agents connected the bombing to some Cuban-exiles and a Chilean citizen -- son of American expatriates -- named Michael Townley.

And Michael Townley? He had been Phillips' protege much like Oswald had been Phillips protege. He had been Phillips' protege during the effort to overthrow Salvador Allende. The Cubans spent a few years in jail. Townley's sentence was more of a slap on the wrist, and, if I remember correctly, he was escorted by the FBI to a plane for his return to Chile.

What beans might Pinochet have spilled?

In the early part of the decade, the [American] Public Broadcasting System (PBS) and National Public Radio (NPR) featured interviews with academics, researchers and other sources to resurrect the old cover-story that America had nothing to do with the overthrow of Salvador Allende and the ascendancy of the fascist Pinochet regime.

After the Frontline broadcasts, PBS posted document facsimiles that had been unearthed through an offshoot of the Clinton-era "JFK Records Collection Act" declassifications:

* A tape-transcript of a conversation between Henry Kissinger and Augusto Pinochet occurring in June, 1976, in which Pinochet hinted at a need to silence Letelier once and for all

* A CIA document, signed by David Atlee Phillips, ordering that operatives in Chile pull out all stops to overthrow Allende, including propaganda and black operations

NPR featured an interview with a scholar who argued that the man who was Director of CIA in 1976 had been guilty of a misprision of a felony, because the DCIA had foreknowledge that Chile's DINA intelligence service was seeking to silence Orlando Letelier with his assassination.

In "Night Watch," Phillips notes his utter surprise of the Chilean coup, stating he "had nothing to do with it."

I can post those documents here, just as I can post some declassifications about Oswald. But there is a point to all of it.

There would have been some measure of risk that Pinochet's witness-stand examination would raise other names, stirring the same pot of controversy highlighted by the public broadcast media a few years later.

Within a few weeks of those broadcasts, the GOP-dominated US Congress attempted to pass legislation starving PBS and NPR of federal funds.

But it hardly mattered. Even in Chile, Pinochet's trial proceeded with determinations that he was suffering from dementia. His mind was deteriorating from old age. He was -- supposedly -- unable to speak in his own defense.

With Pinochet's undoing, the new Chilean government enacted changes to the constitution barring political parties which had supported the dictator from participating in the country's political process for fifteen years.


Indeed Randy...indeed. Central and South America are keys to a lot of what has transpired since WWII. Look at where the Nazis went and who helped to protect them. Look at the massive drug running. Look at Mena. Look at Iran/Contra. Look at what Randy describes in the post above. What is common in all that? The OSS/CIA...and the people they help to control...as in the MSM and politicians on the take.
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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby Jsnow915 » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:06 pm

either way Bob...I would thinnk it is a set up to get everyone in line for the New World Order...so who is behind the scenes pulling the strings?...the bankers
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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby Bob » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:38 pm

Jsnow915 wrote:either way Bob...I would thinnk it is a set up to get everyone in line for the New World Order...so who is behind the scenes pulling the strings?...the bankers


Based on what is happening right now, I would say you are correct Sir.
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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby Randy Bednorz » Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:47 pm

DRESSED TO KILL I: TRASH-BAGS,TRIALS AND BONESMEN

There was one gap in my David Atlee Phillips book-collection, which I only filled as of Monday.

I said that Phillips published a book in 1978 about the T. Cullen Davis murder-trials of the 1970s.

Davis had married a rather wild young platinum-blonde named Priscilla. She had a daughter by a previous marriage -- Andrea Wilborn. She had a lover named Stan Farr. And she had filed for divorce from Davis in 1974.

In 1976, Farr and Wilborn had been shot dead; Priscilla was injured. Some accounts over the years describe the intruder who shot them as someone resembling Davis dressed to the hilt in plastic garbage bags, sunglasses and a floppy hat. The investigation surrounding Davis' trial was called the most expensive in Texas history. The folklore surrounding the witness-description of the intruder reminds us of a euphemism for assassinations: "Wet-work."

Depending on your choice of outdoor apparel or rainy-weather protection, a hot fire, some rubber-bands and good ventilation would efficiently extinguish hopes for "blood-spatter analysis." I'm trying to keep my sense of humor, you see?

There was a second trial. Not a mock-trial, like Bugliosi's in 1986 -- Davis was again arrested. An earlier story said that Davis was charged for the murders -- among others -- of the judge in the earlier trial. This needs to be corrected, if you can believe a source like Wikipedia to be accurate. Davis was charged with the murder of the judge in his ongoing divorce case, which was still in progress at the time Andrea Wilborn and Stan Farr were murdered.

The second trial employed one of the first uses of "forensic discourse analysis" -- a field not too dissimilar to what I tried to do here. In this thread [and many thanks to Mr. Brychek] -- I have attempted something I would call "forensic literary analysis," and I believe I have heard it called such already. But it is one of those areas that seems bizarre, and no less bizarre than the case of the LA fireman and murder-suspect who hung himself with his fictional novel. That is, the fireman had created "A Fictional But Authentic Entry" for his prosecution.

Later, maybe in 1979 or just a little more recent than that year, Davis, the "silver-bubble" Hunt brothers Nelson and William founded a semi-secret conservative organization known as "The Council for National Policy," or CNP.

They had a fourth colleague -- a GOP political activist. The name escapes me, you can find it, and it's really not that relevant to what Poe called "something in the assassination way."

But it's interesting. Affiliated with Tufts University, an "Institute for First Amendment Studies" began monitoring CNP. They were eventually able to gather enough information to build a cumulative membership history. The IFAS web-site still seems to be up, running and working fine.

The TruTV web-site provides a marvelous account of the murder trials. Phillips' own published account probably deserves more attention for our interest in this forum.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/not_guilty/t_cullen_davis/index.html

The Davis story has nothing directly relevant to the JFK murder -- nothing I know of, except that Phillips published an account of the trials. And it is clear that Phillips had mixed in the circle of oil barons from his time at Texas Christian University.

That by itself raises some important details from "The Night Watch."

Phillips initially began his college career at the College of William and Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia.

He explains how, on the night before final exams, he attended a soiree at a girls' school in Washington, DC, got drunk, arranged for a ride back to his own school, but apparently misunderstood that the young man who offered him a ride was going to Yale. So Phillips missed his finals, and had to leave William and Mary, finishing his studies at Texas Christian University back home in Fort Worth.

The following paragraph in Night Watch explains how Phillips was first employed back in Fort Worth selling cemetery plots to old ladies. He doesn't mention "coffins" in that paragraph, so I question my own speculations that he may have somehow been inititated into Skull and Bones. Skull and Bones practices a ritual in which the about-to-be initiated member must lay in a coffin. This also makes the "Goya-esque" scene in "Carlos Contract" interesting, from the same speculational perspective.

But the fact remains that Phillips lived on the same street as the Davis brothers when he was young, he was pals with Cullen's older brother, and he hobnobbed with oil-wealth "inheritors" when he was at Texas Christian. Such a splendid background for a CIA recruit!

COMING UP: [the big surprise] DRESSED TO KILL II: A CAST OF CARLOS CHARACTERS
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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby Randy Bednorz » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:44 pm

DRESSED TO KILL II: A CARLOS CAST OF CHARACTERS

I've shown how the cast of characters in "Carlos Contract" includes a fictional re-cycling of David Sanchez Morales; how Morales was identified in Gaeton Fonzi's HSCA investigation as a key figure in the assassination; how this is substantiated by Marita Lorenz' memoir and other sources; how Morales was chief of Operations at JM/WAVE and liaison to "Colonel" Johnny Roselli and the mob.

I also mentioned two characters named "Frank" and "Hyphenated Jake" as key participants in the "Fictional Yet Authentic" action-chapter of the novel. The action chapter fulfills our "state-space" hypothesis formulation beyond our wildest dreams.

One key player in Operation Zapata was Jacob Esterline, who died in 1999. Esterline was later Chief of Station in Miami. Warren Frank figures heavily in David Corn's history based on Ted Shackley -- a close associate of Shackley who had served as deputy on the Czechoslovakia desk when Shackley was assigned to Europe. And Frank was also working with Esterline and others at JM/WAVE.

The descriptions of "Frank" and "Hyphenated Jake" are sparse in the spy-novel. Keep in mind that the "audience" for the things we found on page 4, page 85 and the action-chapter was extremely limited. That audience would consist of Hunt, and possibly Phillips' brother James. But given the clear and irrefutable parallels between Hunt's reference to Phillips in "Give Us This Day" and the Phillips' unmistakeable reference to the Manchurian Candidate description of Colonel Ben Marco, the book-writing project of 1979 was most clearly intended for Hunt.

Not all of the "ex-CIA" team in "Carlos Contract" have identifiable anchors in the real history that Phillips had lived as Chief of Propaganda for Operation Zapata. But there is one character with a peculiar name in the spy-novel which stands out, even though he appears briefly before and after the action-chapter -- not within it. He is only mentioned in the first part of the book, but participates in the dialog following the action-chapter. He always appears to be talking on the telephone; and he always wears galoshes:

Carlos contract page 67.jpg


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Here's the point where I defer pointing fingers, even though I must snicker over fingers that are pointing. I want to be coy; I want to be subtle.

So, for those interested, I refuse to do your homework for you. I said "he wears galoshes." Inferences you likely make from the two page-scans posted here should be easy.

From there, you need to find an "unauthorized" biography, written by Messrs. Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin. "Unauthorized" should be a key word in your web-search within the sparsely disguised on-line shrubbery, as would be the last names of the authors. The book is published in its entirety on the web. I refuse to even provide you a link, because it is so easy to find in a Google search.

I suggest you read the anecdote of chapter 10 in that book. I suggest that you do a search within that chapter on the name of a well-known House Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, whose downfall involved cavorting with a prostitute in the reflecting pool near the Jefferson Memorial. Surely you can do that, can't you, Wilbur?

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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby Bob » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:56 pm

Randy Bednorz wrote:DRESSED TO KILL II: A CARLOS CAST OF CHARACTERS

I've shown how the cast of characters in "Carlos Contract" includes a fictional re-cycling of David Sanchez Morales; how Morales was identified in Gaeton Fonzi's HSCA investigation as a key figure in the assassination; how this is substantiated by Marita Lorenz' memoir and other sources; how Morales was chief of Operations at JM/WAVE and liaison to "Colonel" Johnny Roselli and the mob.

I also mentioned two characters named "Frank" and "Hyphenated Jake" as key participants in the "Fictional Yet Authentic" action-chapter of the novel. The action chapter fulfills our "state-space" hypothesis formulation beyond our wildest dreams.

One key player in Operation Zapata was Jacob Esterline, who died in 1999. Esterline was later Chief of Station in Miami. Warren Frank figures heavily in David Corn's history based on Ted Shackley -- a close associate of Shackley who had served as deputy on the Czechoslovakia desk when Shackley was assigned to Europe. And Frank was also working with Esterline and others at JM/WAVE.

The descriptions of "Frank" and "Hyphenated Jake" are sparse in the spy-novel. Keep in mind that the "audience" for the things we found on page 4, page 85 and the action-chapter was extremely limited. That audience would consist of Hunt, and possibly Phillips' brother James. But given the clear and irrefutable parallels between Hunt's reference to Phillips in "Give Us This Day" and the Phillips' unmistakeable reference to the Manchurian Candidate description of Colonel Ben Marco, the book-writing project of 1979 was most clearly intended for Hunt.

Not all of the "ex-CIA" team in "Carlos Contract" have identifiable anchors in the real history that Phillips had lived as Chief of Propaganda for Operation Zapata. But there is one character with a peculiar name in the spy-novel which stands out, even though he appears briefly before and after the action-chapter -- not within it. He is only mentioned in the first part of the book, but participates in the dialog following the action-chapter. He always appears to be talking on the telephone; and he always wears galoshes:

Carlos contract page 67.jpg


Carlos Contract page 68.jpg


Here's the point where I defer pointing fingers, even though I must snicker over fingers that are pointing. I want to be coy; I want to be subtle.

So, for those interested, I refuse to do your homework for you. I said "he wears galoshes." Inferences you likely make from the two page-scans posted here should be easy.

From there, you need to find an "unauthorized" biography, written by Messrs. Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin. "Unauthorized" should be a key word in your web-search within the sparsely disguised on-line shrubbery, as would be the last names of the authors. The book is published in its entirety on the web. I refuse to even provide you a link, because it is so easy to find in a Google search.

I suggest you read the anecdote of chapter 10 in that book. I suggest that you do a search within that chapter on the name of a well-known House Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, whose downfall involved cavorting with a prostitute in the reflecting pool near the Jefferson Memorial. Surely you can do that, can't you, Wilbur?

What could be simpler? And did you ever find a more singular coincidence than this one?


I've been waiting for someone else to respond, but what the hell...Mr. Rubbers is none other than Poppy Bu$h. By the way, Wim has that book by Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin in the Poppy Bu$h section on the front page of this site in case you want to access it.

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

Speaking of Skull and Bones, everyone here should know that Poppy was a Bonesman, as was his son Dumbya, as well as his dad Prescott.

Here is the reference that Randy mentioned above in Chapter 10...

Wilbur Mills may have let himself in for a lot of trouble in later years by not always treating George with due respect. Because of Bush's obsession with birth control for the lower orders, Mills gave Bush the nickname "Rubbers," which stuck with him during his years in Congress. [fn 10] Poppy Bush was not amused. One day Mills might ponder in retrospect, as so many others have, on Bush's vindictiveness.

On one occasion Mills prolonged the questioning of Walter Reuther of the UAW, who was appearing as a witess in hearings before the committee, to let George Bush get a few questions in and look good for the home-town press. Mills' career in public life was destroyed during the Ford Presidency when he was found cavorting drunk in public with the dancer Fanny Foxe. This came in an era when the Church and Pike committees of Congress had been pounding the CIA, and when George Bush was about to take over as CIA Director. The fall of Wilbur Mills, together with the Koreagate scandal of alleged Congressional influence peddling, appeared at the time as retaliation designed to knock the Congress on the defensive.
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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby Randy Bednorz » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:44 pm

That's about it in a nutshell, Bob.

I started posting this material on this particular thread because I came across Wim's reference in "OPERATION ZIPPER" to what I'd posted in 2005. Since then, I'd tried to get the attention of various local friends and acquaintances concerning what I'd found in Phillips' books.

A few weeks ago, while posting here, I passed out some slips of paper to a few of those acquaintances as "invitations" to review this thread. And at this point, with additional invitations via e-mail to other friends across the country, I have received no feedback.

Are they shocked? Are they perhaps "stunned" that I posted the material under my real name? Are they embarrassed? I don't know. I won't bother them. I won't broach the topic unless they do.

This is still a lonely feeling -- that you believe you found something of importance, but not taken seriously. And this is the dilemma we all face about this topic -- growing stale over some 46 years. Even if you "find something," it's the opinion of a nobody. There are dozens of theories. There are 4,000 books published on the subject. People say "I believe there was a conspiracy;" "I believe the Mafia did it;" or in Bugliosi's case, "Oswald did it."

For "judicial notice," you have the Warren Report. After that, it's "interpretation," speculation, suspicion, paranoia.

For some of those posting here in the forums, the question has been put forward "What evidence do we really have?"

The answer: A lot more than was made available in the Warren Report. A lot more than was available in the newspapers in 1963-64. But a lot less than you'd find in a conventional crime, except for the manufactured cover-story about Oswald, Oswald's personal "history," and published books like Gerald Ford's "Portrait of an Assassin," which attempts to color and shade and interpret the facts of Oswald's personal history in order to promote the "lone-nut" theory.

The material in Phillips' books is "evidence," even as he taunts us that so many people believe there was a conspiracy, even though "there is no evidence."

I can't see how published books are "shaky" as evidence, but people want something simple and conventional. They want fingerprints. They want forthright testimony.

Given simple logic -- which seldom fails -- there is no "coincidence" that Hunt refers to Phillips by way of a phrase in "Manchurian Candidate." There is no "coincidence" the Phillips insinuates a passage in "Manchurian Candidate" to describe himself under his "Knight" pseudonym as filling a role similar to that of Colonel Ben Marco.

If you try and argue that phrases like "theatrically handsome man" or the appearance of the words "Mafia" and "Orozco" on a single page are more likely to be found in any selection of library books published before 1980, you are bound to be disappointed in refuting my argument about those passages and those words.

It is stark and it is clear. Hunt says Phillips is "almost a theatrically handsome man;" Condon described Raymond Shaw as a "theatrically handsome man;" Condon described Colonel Ben Marco's reading habits to include books about the "jurisprudential administration of the Mafia" and the "paintings of Orozco." Phillips uses the two proper nouns on the same page of his book, and it is the same page on which we find Mexican artists' names arrayed like the Knight's movement on the chessboard.

If you can't see the clear and stark logic of statistics and probability, or you think the argument is too "complex," I suggest you get rid of your automobile's GPS device, because it depends on the world being round, and you probably think it more sensible to believe that it is flat.

How likely would it be that a real court-case would accept Phillips' spy-novel as a confession? You're not going to find someone publishing a book to say outright "I killed JFK." You're not going to find a CIA careerist publishing something like that, or explaining "secret projects" outright, when their books had to be vetted by colleagues.

That's why it's subtle. That's why the indications are sparse, and only some luck and thorough computer-work allowed me to find them.

Phillips assumed before his death that CIA would never declassify the Kammer memorandum or the McCone-Rowley memorandum baring Oswald's relationship to the CIA. People will still call those documents into question today, and a lawyer like Bugliosi will attempt to find every weakness or flaw in the reliability of those documents or their meaning.

You can make money publishing books about the JFK murder. People continue to make money just as Bugliosi is making money. I will probably finish a book about Phillips. And -- sure -- I'd like a little money -- as Milton Berle used to say.

But people will read and believe whatever they want. Published books don't yield a revision of the Warren Commission's judicial notice. It's the only official view, amended slightly by the final reports of the HSCA and the ARRB. Both of those reports were published to attenuate the evidence about Phillips, and for no other reason than that he was a "CIA man." We can't have the public believing that a nutcase in the CIA or a handful of criminal and venal men on the CIA payroll engineered this thing.

Especially, we can't have a public believing that propaganda is more than just a publication of lies, or that Oswald's handler matched the story and timing of a book and film myth about communism to the actual assassination and its cover story. And once you provide evidence or attempt to prove that such was the case, people will accuse you of all sorts of things -- that you're a "commie" or a hysterical historical revisionist or a subversive. Which may be as it should be, since I personally find the implications of the link between the book or movie fiction and the actual fact of the assassination quite devastating. It has actually changed my political views.

So -- obviously -- the Mafia did it. The Mafia did it, because we need to preserve the falsehood, avoid rocking the apple-cart, and protect our precious bodily fluids.

So much for an informed public, a reliable democratic decision-making progress, and human progress in general.

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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby SeamusCoogan » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:09 pm

I understand yours and Bobs appraisals Randy.

Yes Phillips was an interesting individual and I've gone throught much stuff with him.

However, Simkin has made much the same mistake in some ways.

Phillips, I hate to say it was not the driving force behind Kennedys assassination. But one of the tools.
Helms played a major role in distancing himself, but we're left wondering about him. Angelton sheeesh, now that guys lethal and as for his assistant Ray Rocca look out. Then of course you have King Dulles at the very top.

Now, from my studies. I have determind that Phillips played a major role in the propaganda aspect of the assassination. If anybody ran this aspect of the assassination it was Phillips. In the pecking order of what I term the big four Phillips comes in at number 4. However thats a very big number 4.

Keep up the good work its good to look into Zipper again.
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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby ChristophMessner » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:27 pm

Randy,
I read all your posts very carefully, I understand and agree with most of what you write and it's great that finally somebody has come to lead into a wider-horizon-thinking about the way of thinking of the true orchestrators and operators of operation zipper and how it really worked and how subtle and complex and sometimes just simple self-evident the truth trully trues. Porbably all persons of way above average intelligence, sensibility and talent for combinatorics are frustrated with the majority, the low average people and the simplicity of ordinary propaganda by the mainstream. But I would say, that the ordinary people are not unsusceptable for subtle allusions and the "wider, far more complex truth". It's just that the majority has to work long hours to survive and has to care for the children and for the present and the future, so that they just can't deal too much with the past and it's dooms and think back into it. For reading Philllip's books one needs time and money and some kind of indifference for the actual problems of the presence.
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Seamus, I would not say, Simkin has made much of the same "mistake". Of course when you look on everything on the whole, the real hyrarchies and networks and contexts may always look different from the magnifier look to a detail problem, but those like Simkin and Randy show competent survey of the details AND the whole.
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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby Randy Bednorz » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:56 pm

Seamus -- I can't link Angleton to it because of his behavior after it occurred. I was going to post some more about this, but only to say that his paranoia about someone "outing" Oswald as pretext for the HONETOL mole-hunts can also have another cause -- the Penkovsky debacle.

Penkovsky was working for "us" under British handling. He passed information from USSR that enabled accurate interpretation of the U2 photos leading to the Missile Crisis. Eventually, he was compromised or discovered, arrested by the Soviets, and executed with a bullet to the back of the head.

This happened around 1964 -- about the same time as Nosenko's predicament became worse. But since Penkovsky was handled by the British, there are many more possibilities for how his detection and arrest occurred -- possibilities that exclude a mole within Langley, and Angleton would have made that distinction.

When Oswald returned to the US, the Kammer memorandum declares his reassignment to Phillips under James McCord -- later known as a Watergate burglar. And we wonder, if Oswald had been "controlled" out of Angleton's office before his return, how this might change when he re-established himself in Dallas/Fort-Worth.

I've heard someone say "whenever I see a book labeled 'autobiography,' I think 'fiction.'" I suppose you'd have to take that approach with Helms' "A Look Over My Shoulder." And you'd want to ask about motives. Rather than mentioning Oswald, Helms says that counter-intelligence with regard to Operation Mongoose was not overseen by Angleton's office. So that corresponds to my idea that Oswald was "lost" to Angleton after the former returned to the US.

It would've been a blind-spot for Angleton, enabling him to imagine all sorts of things about Oswald and not to exclude something insidious about KGB manipulation of him. And you have to temper your common-sense understanding that practical people might discount "KGB mind-control," but a CIA pursuing an MKULTRA program might not discount it so easily.

That leaves Helms. Helms misleads us about Nosenko, for instance, saying that Nosenko said during his interrogation that "I [Nosenko] didn't have anything to do with JFK's assassination." This is Helms' recollection in Helms' autobiography, and we have both a British journalist (Mangold) and an American writer (David Wise) who had interviewed several CIA careerists who insinuate no such thing. Instead, Nosenko had spoken of seeing Oswald's file and that KGB neither "owned" him nor had a clear idea of who actually did. They thought he (Oswald) was "unstable."

By his own account, Helms says he mostly performed "day to day administration" in Directorate of Plans. His career wasn't threatened by the Kennedys, contrary to a Wikipedia entry. He was moving up -- to replace Bissell, for example. He says that when he discovered the Mafia had been involved in Operation Zapata and related projects, he put the kibosh on it. But other stories have the Kennedys discovering the Mafia involvement, [my recollection], so I have to take Helms' remark there with a grain of salt, also.

Then, according to Helms, he was reporting directly to Bobby Kennedy -- as was Lansdale. Helms was supposed to be the CIA's "Man for Cuba."

There's just one other thing. Helms tries to argue that "Angleton didn't persecute" Nosenko, saying the CIA's Soviet Division were the persecutors. But according to Mangold and Wise, Angleton was persecuting the Soviet Division, so what difference did it make?

What else do we have of a factual basis to suspect Helms? This is a serious question -- I'm looking for more facts.

Finally, you may be right insofar as Phillips wasn't a high-level presbyter. But Phillips brags about his role in those books to such a degree it seems he's trying to take credit for the whole thing. It's HIS character who is manipulating Gonzalez [Morales]; it's HIS cover-story in both goal and objective by which the assassination is as much a means as an end. And anyone who sheepdipped Oswald -- preparation that could have taken as much as a year -- would know all the details of the specifics of 10:30AM November 22, 1963.

We'll talk more of this.
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Re: OPERATION ZIPPER:

Postby Randy Bednorz » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:03 pm

ChristophMessner wrote:Randy,
I read all your posts very carefully, I understand and agree with most of what you write and it's great that finally somebody has come to lead into a wider-horizon-thinking about the way of thinking of the true orchestrators and operators of operation zipper and how it really worked and how subtle and complex and sometimes just simple self-evident the truth trully trues. Porbably all persons of way above average intelligence, sensibility and talent for combinatorics are frustrated with the majority, the low average people and the simplicity of ordinary propaganda by the mainstream. But I would say, that the ordinary people are not unsusceptable for subtle allusions and the "wider, far more complex truth". It's just that the majority has to work long hours to survive and has to care for the children and for the present and the future, so that they just can't deal too much with the past and it's dooms and think back into it. For reading Philllip's books one needs time and money and some kind of indifference for the actual problems of the presence.
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Actually, I'm the first to admit to fitting that category. I always say "I was a sleep-walking news-zombie for 35 years." I think I started waking up during the "persecution of Clinton" when I saw the news every day. If you work for a living -- especially if your "second job" is caring for a family after work, it's easy to soak up the daily news like a sponge takes water.


Looking at myself as an example in that "category," the impact of any sort of news distortion or propaganda is greater because people are individuals, and individuals think they're not "average," so that propaganda directed at an "average of the mass" cannot fool them. Therefore, they are fooled.
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