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Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby Bob » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:29 am

Recently, I have been able to communicate with a lot of the "real " researchers in the JFK assassination community, which has been very informative. Besides Wim of course, I have talked with Robert Groden, Jack White, Russ Baker, Wayne Madsen and others. I have also written Jim Marrs, but alas...he has not responded to my notes as of yet. Oh well. I still respect his work enormously. I recently saw a post in the Education Forum that Wim posted about Marrs' overall take on the Jimmy Files story regarding the JFK assassination. Here it is...

TO JAMES FILES CONFESSION CRITICS: ANSWER ME THIS

by JIM MARRS

First off let me set the record straight. I have not -- nor am I now --
taking any particular position on the truthfulness of the James E. Files
confession. I was not on the Grassy Knoll on November 22, 1963, so I cannot
state with any 100 percent assurance what really happened.

All I have ever said on this matter is that I am aware of much more to this
story than simply a talking-head videotaped confession and that I feel it
deserves more serious attention than it has received in the past. Those who
have been so quick to dismiss Files as a hoax do not know the full details
of this issue. Others have personal problems with one or more of the
researchers who have brought the Files story public. Let's not toss out the
message just because we don't like the messenger. Never forget that the
whole Files story came about due to a tip from an FBI agent, not from mere
speculation by some researcher.

Despite what I feel to be an honest and open-minded attitude toward the
Files story on my part, I, along with anyone else who dares to admit
interest in this issue, have suffered much abuse on the Internet and other
places from some critics who, after superficial or no research, branded the
Files story a hoax.

Without making a long, involved story even longer, I would simply like the
answers to the following three simple questions regarding James Files:

HOW DID JAMES FILES KNOW THAT HUMAN TEETH IMPRESSIONS WOULD BE FOUND ON A
.222-CALIBER SHELL CASING FOUND ON THE GRASSY KNOLL IN 1987?

It is a fact that John C. Rademacher of Granbury, Texas, discovered a
.222-caliber shell casing on the north Grassy Knoll in Dallas' Dealey Plaza
in 1987. He brought the casing to my class at the University of Texas at
Arlington in 1990. I recall asking him about strange marks on the casing
because at the time I was very interested in the sabot or husk bullet issue.
Rademacher said the mark was on the casing when he found it but that he had
no idea what it was.

On May 3, 1993, researcher Bob Vernon along with TV executive Barry Adelman
first interviewed James E. Files in prison. Files claims to have used an
unusual and expensive single-shot match pistol, a .222-caliber Remington
XP-100 "Fireball", to shoot President Kennedy from behind the wooden picket
fence on top of the Grassy Knoll. Toward the end of the interview, Files
casually mentioned that he had left the .222-caliber shell casing behind on
the Grassy Knoll and that if anyone was to find it they would know it was
his. When asked how it could be identified, Files said he had bitten down on
the empty shell casing and left it behind on a cross piece of the wooden
picket fence. "It will have my teeth marks on it," he explained.

Reflecting on this information, Vernon recalled seeing something about a man
finding a shell casing on the Grassy Knoll in the files of the late Texas
researcher Joe West. After locating the story in West's material, Vernon
along with Mrs. Joe West visited Rademacher in July, 1993, and first saw the
shell casing with the markings on it. After about two months of
correspondence, Vernon finally obtained the shell casing in late September,
1993, and sent it for study by Dr. Paul Stimson of the University of Texas
at Houston, a member of the American Boards of Oral Pathology and Forensic
Odontology. About Oct. 4, 1993, following days of microscopic examination,
Dr. Stimson reported, "Opinion: The indentations are oriented on the shell
casing in a pattern that would be consistent with the maxillary right
central incisor making the larger mark and the two smaller marks would be
consistent with the lower right central and lateral incisors. It is my
opinion that the marks are consistent with having been made by human
indentation."

It is highly unlikely that this whole story could be a gigantic hoax
involving such diverse people as Dr. Stimson, Vernon, Joe West (who died
before ever learning of the casing connection between Rademacher and Files)
and his wife, Adelman, Files, myself and others over a period of more than
six years.

Having rejected the complicated hoax theory and considering that apparently
no one in the world knew of the casing/teeth issue prior to Dr. Stimson's
findings in October, 1993, I am left with the question --- If he had no
first-hand knowledge, how did James Files know that human teeth impressions
would be found on a .222-caliber shell casing discovered on the Grassy Knoll
in 1987?

HOW DID FILES FIND OUT ABOUT THE "WHITE STAR" TEAMS IN LAOS UNLESS HE WAS A
MEMBER?

During interviews with James E. Files, he told of his military record which
included a stint with the 82nd Airborne Division concerning covert
operations in Laos in 1959. He said he was supposedly out of the military
but was actually being paid by the U.S. Army and specifically mentioned
being part of the "White Star" teams to train Laotian Army regulars. Being a
Vietnam-era veteran myself and a lay historian, I was surprised that I had
never heard of the "White Star" teams. In fact, I chalked this term up as a
point against Files since no one I knew had ever heard of such teams. Then
in the summer of 1996, in a telephone conversation with Col. Fletcher
Prouty, I happened to mention that Files claimed to have trained Laotian
Army troops in 1959. "Oh, that was my operation," said Prouty. "They were
called the White Star teams." Prouty explained that members of the "White
Star" teams were "sheep-dipped," He explained this process as "an intricate
Army-devised process by which a man who is in the service as a full career
soldier or officer agrees to go through all the legal and official motions
of resigning from the service. Then, rather than actually being released,
his records are pulled from the Army personnel files and transferred to a
special Army intelligence file. (The Secret Team: pp. 172-173)" This is
exactly the process mentioned by Files and, obviously, could go far in
explaining some of the frustrations encountered in trying to verify his
military record. Prouty said the "White Star" teams were composed of
"sheep-dipped" officers and men who were hired by a private company created
by the CIA and sent to Laos to train troops. Prouty's statements force the
question --- If Files is a phony and never in the military (as some critics
have asserted), how did he know the correct term "White Star" teams and the
circumstances of their involvement in Laos.unless he was part of it?

WHERE DID FILES LEARN OF AN "ABORT TEAM" IF NOT FROM JOHNNY ROSELLI?

According to the Files confession, the JFK assassination was carried out by
Chicago mob hit man, Charles "Chuckie" Nicoletti on orders from boss Sam
Giancana. ".(Richard) Cain and Nicoletti were actual gunmen for the hit."
wrote Giancana's brother Chuck in his 1992 book Double Cross (pp. 334-335).
Files said the hit team originally was to be Nicoletti and mobster Johnny
Roselli. Files himself was only to have transported weapons to Dallas and
acted as driver. But, according to Files, Roselli arrived in Dallas early on
the morning of November 22, 1963, by means of a "military flight". Roselli
said the CIA had sent an "abort team" to Dallas to stop the assassination
and he declined to participate saying they would all be killed. Undaunted by
Roselli's fears, Nicoletti decided to move ahead with the carefully-laid
plans and so asked Files --- a man who had been his driver and confederate
in several other jobs --- to back him up. Many critics have questioned why
Files at such a young age and not being a "made" Mafia man would have been
included on something as important as the JFK assassination. This is a very
good question but it appears answered in this account of Files' last-minute
substitution after Roselli suddenly backed out, fearful of being killed by
an "abort team".

Files' use of the term "abort team" was only the second time in my career I
had heard that term. The first involved a "black ops" military pilot who
also mentioned an "abort team' --- and in connection with the JFK
assassination!!

William Robert "Tosh" Plumlee claimed to have been involved in secret
government skullduggery beginning before the Bay of Pigs invasion and
lasting through the Iran-Contra scandal. I have reams of FBI and DEA reports
on Plumlee and they state he was claiming to have knowledge of the JFK
assassination as far back as the 1970s. In addition to his numerous
government files, Plumlee was called for secret testimony during the
Iran-Contra hearings. He obviously is a credible source.

In the late 1980s, Tosh took me on a guided tour of Dallas and presented an
incredible story of how he piloted a plane from Florida to New Orleans on
November 21, 1963. In New Orleans, he picked up a team of men, along with
some small cases, and flew them to Dallas, arriving early on Nov. 22.
Originally slated to land at Red Bird Airport, he was diverted to Garland
Airport due to early morning rain and overcast. Here the team disembarked.
This group was largely unknown to Tosh except for one man whom he had
piloted before. He only knew this man as "Colonel John Roselli". Tosh also
said he was told that the group were an "abort team" sent to Dallas to stop
an assassination attempt on President Kennedy. Tosh's account of this
flight, his observations in Dealey Plaza and his planned return trip to meet
David Ferrie in Houston make for a fascinating tale, one that has never been
disproved.

Tosh says he flew Roselli into Dallas on a military plane and Roselli tells
Files he arrived on a military flight. Tosh said the flight was to bring in
an "abort team" and Roselli bows out of his part in the assassination
confessing fear of an "abort team". Since Tosh and Files are the only two
people I have ever heard mention an "abort team" and since by all research
Tosh and Files never met, how could Files have known about an "abort team"
unless his story of Roselli's statements are true?

Now I am the first to admit that there are problems with the Files
confession, mostly due to the lack of substantiating documentation. Of
course, men like Files don't live long or prosper with the Chicago mob or
CIA by leaving behind a well-managed paper trail. In my study of this issue,
I have found many small things which seem to corroborate his story. Three of
these are mentioned above.

There remains much more research to be done on the Files. In the meantime,
if someone will simply give me a credible and well-supported answer to the
above three questions, I might consider joining the chorus of nay-sayers in
the James Files confession.

-Jim Marrs
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Re: Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby kenmurray » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:39 pm

Great stuff from Marrs. 8)
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Re: Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby turtleman » Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:07 am

Yeah that's good stuff. Marrs has a way of cutting through the crap and getting right to it. Kind of puts the naysayers in a box. What would Posner, Mack, or Bugliosi say to that I wonder.
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Re: Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby AnthonyAthletic » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:26 am

turtleman wrote:What would Posner, Mack, or Bugliosi say to that I wonder.


They would 'disprove' the Files story by simply saying "James Files was not on the 6th Floor of the TSBD" End of story :D That's what they have been doing for years. One Man, One room, three shots, two good...end of.

Excellent observation from Jim Marrs.

It really is funny how the Flat World Society simply ignore facts and ignore questions which they have no answer, nor can give no reasonable explanation. Nor will the naysayers say....'this may need further observation'

Their minds are made up, and all of the conspiracy theorists such as you, me everyone on this board and in the JFK Research wether you are a full time, very eager enthusiast (such as myself) or the mere interested novice, we will never know. This case is locked up airtight, no matter what our speculations and proof amount to.

I am 40 years old now and I doubt there will be any further official light spread onto the matter, nor will anything of significance be revealed in 2037-38. And 100 years from now it will be filed away with as much interest as 'was there a Lincoln conspiracy'.

Sad to say this, but the JFK Assassination will fizzle out when the next two generations have been and gone.

And doesn't that anger us all?

The Files scenario does need investigating. This man has immense knowledge as to what went on prior, during and post 22/11. Files has to be disproved by the naysayers. Disproving someone can not be done by simply saying 'I don't believe that' and the 'take my word for it' attitude.

I will sit and watch Bugliosi's Oswald Trial by London Weekend TV tonight, all 5 1/2 hours of it, just delivered from the USA....I really could do with a good laugh. Next I must try and get my hands on TMWKK parts 7-8-9 (the banned/revealing episodes) which I haven't seen.
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Re: Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby kenmurray » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:10 pm

Don't you all know by now that the only man on that sixth floor was Oswald? We have the eyewitness testimony of one Howard Brennan now, guys. You know, the one who couldn't pick out Oswald initially in a lineup :shock:
http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.ba ... draft.html
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Re: Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby tom jeffers » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:10 pm

That is exactly why jimmy has turned his back on the jfk assassination. he came out and said his piece after all those years and the "jfk experts" said it was a hoax. how do you PROVE that you ate a cheeseburger yesterday? how do you PROVE you ate a cheeseburger 46 years ago!
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Re: Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby Jsnow915 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:27 pm

do you think Files has proof somewhere and won't let it come out till after he's long gone?
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Re: Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby Bob » Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:58 pm

Jsnow915 wrote:do you think Files has proof somewhere and won't let it come out till after he's long gone?


I think it's a distinct possibility. There is a reason why Jimmy is still around, when so many close to him have been murdered (Giancana, Nicoletti and Roselli). Jimmy has almost been killed a couple of times though. However, although Jimmy has told a lot of the truth, I still feel he has not divulged ALL that he knows and I also think he may have some documents hidden somewhere that may further substantiate his story, plus name even more names.
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Re: Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby neab » Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:01 am

I ordered hoffman's book recently and have been reading it. I don't really doubt this guy's credibility and from what I've read so far, if Files was there, he definitely lied about being the only man behind the fence. I will say this though, hoffman saw a plaid shirted man , like files said he was wearing. I'm starting to return to beleiving the files story, just think he must have lied about who was back there, i mean , stands to reason he'd telll truth about just about everything, his face is right there in front of the camera for everyone to see. But ed's account smashes his "I was alone back there" story. Plus, we know files was kinda in between mob and cia , maybe people in that part of dealy plaza weren't mob related. I dunno, maybe we'll never know and should stop spending this time looking.
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Re: Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby dankbaar » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:02 am

neab wrote:I ordered hoffman's book recently and have been reading it. I don't really doubt this guy's credibility and from what I've read so far, if Files was there, he definitely lied about being the only man behind the fence. I will say this though, hoffman saw a plaid shirted man , like files said he was wearing. I'm starting to return to beleiving the files story, just think he must have lied about who was back there, i mean , stands to reason he'd telll truth about just about everything, his face is right there in front of the camera for everyone to see. But ed's account smashes his "I was alone back there" story. Plus, we know files was kinda in between mob and cia , maybe people in that part of dealy plaza weren't mob related. I dunno, maybe we'll never know and should stop spending this time looking.




See this thread:


viewtopic.php?p=10270

And below:

Thank you so much for the clarification. I wish you the best of luck in all that you do.

Kyle A. Holsinger

Wim Dankbaar wrote:
Gordon Arnold's story appeared very compelling, but after studying all the photographs and films, there is no evidence whatsoever that he was there, where he said he was.

Moreover, his story that the policeman kicked and threathened him and took his film, should have been seen by at least some of the witnesses. This should at least have taken 15 seconds at a time that virtually everybody was looking at the knoll or running towards it.

Therefore I dismiss Arnold's story completely.

Wim


Yarborough said he saw a man hitting the ground when the first shot rang out, but this could not have been Gordon Arnold, because he said he hit the ground after hearing a fusillage of shots from behind wizzing past his ears. Maybe he was referring to Bill Newman.

The problem with Arnold's story is that he is nowhere visible in any of the photographs. Another problem is that the policeman hitting him , asking and taking his film must have taken at least 20 seconds. There is no corroborating testimony for that either. It is harldy conceivable that no one else has witnessed this so shortly after the shots when everybody was looking at the knoll.

Hofmann did not describe men in uniforms. He described a man in suit and a man in working clothes. The distance he observed this from was almost 100 yards. It is improbable that no one else , for example the men on the railroad bridge did not see what he describes. They were much closer and had a clear view to that area.

On the gun see this film:

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid= ... 9474898810

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:56 PM
Subject: Witness Ed Hoffman and James Files


I tried registering on the JFK forum to post this question, but I could not get it to properly work so I will just ask you folks. I was watching a documentary called JFK Conspiracy that was hosted by James Earl Jones and seemed to be made shortly after Oliver Stone's JFK had been released. There was an interview with witness Ed Hoffman who claims that the man on the grassy knoll was shot with a "brown rifle" as his interpreter described. I have been to your site countless times over the past few years and am well aware of James Files and read all your information regarding him and his claims. What concerns me is that James Files is claiming to have used the Remington Fireball that you have talked about. Now, I know it is a long gun, BUT it is a handgun, do you have any clarification on this or anything of that nature. Thank you so much for your contribution in bringing the truth to light in the JFK assassination. The world owes people like you and the people who
have came forward with information a debt of gratitude. Thank you again.

Kyle A. Holsinger



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Re: Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby dankbaar » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:05 am

Van: Wim Dankbaar
Aan: Brian K. Edwards
Cc: Ton Roozeboom
Datum: 07 jan 2009 - 13:59




Yes, I believe his story completely. My friend Tony Roozeboom, who you met on Dealey Plaza, is reading your book, and he is very impressed by it.

Hope you don't mind I cc this to him.

We had long phonetalk about it yesterday. I must confess that I have long been intrigued by Ed Hoffman's story, ever since I first swaw it in 1998 in Turner's "The men who killed Kennedy". However I have grown severe doubts since a few years. To me it seems very unlikely if not impossible that he swa what he says he saw from 100 yards or so distance, while none of the witnesses saw that. Especially the 8 or so people on the bridge who had a clear view towards the grassy knoll fence and the electricity box weher Ed claims the other man dissassembled the rifle. It is also inconceibvable to me that they missed the man in the suit running along the fulls distance of the picket fence and tossing the gun over to his acomplice. How do you address these issues?

Have you already read what Files said about Hoffman? See below

Wim

J - You ever heard. Have you ever heard the story of Ed Hoffman?



JF - Yes, I've heard of him. I don't know who he is, but I've heard of him.



J - He is the deaf guy who was up on Stemmons and he says he saw a guy essentially in your position, but he saw him toss a rifle to somebody else. Have you got any idea .



JF - I never tossed anything to anybody! Never!



J - Okay .



W- How did you guys know the bubble top was off?



*********



A lot of people said I was too young to kill anyone at that time. I told them that I don't remember seeing old men out on the battlefield during combat. In Nam all I saw were a lot of young kids dying, ages between 17 and 21 years of age.

Also, I cannot for the life of me, see a man fire a weapon, a rifle, like the man Ed Hoffman said he saw, throw it to someone else, while he runs off. If they catch this other guy with the rifle, what's keeping him from telling on the one who pulled the trigger? I would never give a weapon to anyone that I had just used, to trust them to get rid of it. That is plain stupid.


************

As for Ed Hoffman's statement, I think he got a little confused or tried to add a little extra, kind of dress it up. Then again, maybe he believes he saw it that way. I know there were other people in the railway yard that morning like the "tramps." Also, one of the boxcars was loaded with explosives. Did you know that? And that they could be detonated by radio or manual control? So who knows who he was really looking at. The only thing he got right was me kneeling down putting the weapon away.


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:25 PM
Subject: RE: Item #Grassy Knoll-DVD - Notification of Payment Received from Brian Edwards

Mr. Dankbaar,

Yes I am one of the co-authors of the book, Beyond the Fenceline.

By the way, I'm currently reading your book on Files-well done!

*Do you believe his story completely?
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Re: Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby Bob » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:13 pm

Good stuff Wim! However, I still say Jimmy had a spotter on the knoll, no matter what he has said up until this point. Jimmy may not have thrown his gun to the guy, but in Black Ops, there is always a spotter or a partner. Nicoletti had Roselli for instance. Orlando Bosch was sitting next to "umbrella man" on the curb. We know Lansdale talked to Jimmy before the shooting (Files just recently brought out that little chestnut). However, I do not believe Lansdale was the spotter...NO way. However, I still think a guy like Gary Marlow, or maybe Frank Sturgis could have been the second guy.
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Re: Jim Marrs' take on Jimmy Files

Postby ThomZajac » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:41 pm

One of the things that's always bothered me about Ed Hoffman's statement is that he says he looked down into the presidential limousine and viewed the president as the car emerged from the underpass. This would have interrupted (or delayed) his viewing of the picket fence scene, but he implies he watched the gunman and a helped immediately after the final shots were fired.
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