Walter Cronkite Passes Away

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Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby kenmurray » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:57 am

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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby Bob » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:51 pm

First, two clips of Walter Cronkite regarding JFK...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG7jjF6xuKM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8Q3cqGs7I

Let me say this about Cronkite. Yes...he worked at CBS, a news organization that was founded by Prescott Bu$h and others. That in itself is somewhat troubling, plus Operation Mockingbird was in full force when the CIA was placing operatives in the MSM.

However, in terms of journalism integrity, I thought Cronkite was head and shoulders above anyone else in his time. Cronkite was the VOICE of news in my generation. From what I have read, Cronkite and JFK were very friendly. You can see the emotion of Cronkite, when he had to read the official word that JFK was indeed dead.

Also, here again is a documentary Cronkite hosted on PBS about the JFK assassination...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk-_0BQRTkY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk3DPYEZ ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A7DpTk7 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-mNFMWO ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU8rU2Rm ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OOEZYiS ... re=related

Unlike Peter Jennings, who was a clear disinformation operative when he hosted a special about the JFK assassination, Cronkite brought out the facts that were available at the time of his documentary (1988) and tried to let the viewer decide who may have killed JFK. That was a time (1988) when the MSM appeared to have nads, as TMWKK was also put on the air then. But is was also the time when Poppy Bu$h was taking office as President, and a couple of freedom of information documents first placed Poppy near the assassination.

Then in 1991, the movie JFK was made. From that time since, the disinformation machine and the MSM has tried to reverse the damage done by TMWKK and JFK by producing so many bogus specials like the one hosted by Jennings and those seen recently on Discovery.
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby kenmurray » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:28 pm

Bob, he was the Voice of our generation. I grew up listening to Cronkite as an 8 year old kid listening to his coverage of JFK assassination. He was the "most trusted man" in America according to my dad. It was CBS news or nothing. Heck I hardly knew that NBC or ABC news existed till later on during he 60's. We pretty much watch programs from CBS. When I discovered Rowan & Martin's Laugh In I wanted to watch it all time till my mother didn't like those girls like Goldie Hawn in those mini skirts. :D
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby ThomZajac » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:50 pm

Because Walter Cronkite was so trusted, he was of great value to the ruling elite: he was a tool that was used very successfully to promote their agenda in a manner no one else could.

CBS was/is CIA and Cronkite was their man, and he could be counted on to do an excellent job of selling their lies.

I do he believe he deserves some credit for eventually displaying some courage in his commentary regarding the Viet Nam War, and to a lesser degree, the JFK assassination. But he was little more than a mouth piece for the very bad guys. A professional, likable, intelligent man to be sure, but a man who on the whole, in my strident opinion, did far, far more harm than good.

And that's the way it was.
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby kenmurray » Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:53 pm

Speaking of CBS and the rest of the news media: http://www.ctka.net/policoff.html
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby ThomZajac » Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:43 pm

(Thanks for the link, Ken, I will get to it shortly, but first I needed to get the following off my chest).

Okay, I tried watching the Cronkite PBS special. I tried.

Cronkite is nothing short of a complete disgrace, working very hard to appear reasonable, open minded, and even handed, when in fact -an there really can be absolutely no denying it- he is doing everything he possibly can to convince the the viewer that the lone assassin conclusion was a thoughtful, HONEST, and reasonable one. Oh, he says, it might be possible that Oswald had an accomplice, but a careful examination of the facts and evidence using all the latest scientific methods makes the long gunman conclusion even more viable than it was twenty five years ago, blah blah blah blah blah.

I'm surprised that some of your guys are so seduced by spokesman for the CIA. Cronkite was BAD for America. BAD for democracy. He was a BAD man.
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby Bob » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:09 pm

Sometimes bad is good...especially compared to the modern MSM "news people". Yes...as I said...Cronkite worked for a network that was founded by Prescott Bu$h. Prescott was CLOSE friends with Allen Dulles, the first director of the CIA...and the man JFK fired for the Bay of Pigs debacle and also a Warren Commission member. That takes me to Operation Mockingbird. The CIA program that placed it's operatives in the MSM...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lo ... gbird.html

Now do I think Cronkite carried the torch for the CIA in some respects? Yes...but to a degree. Vietnam was a CIA war and he helped end that conflict with his words...but unfortunately the damage had been done with over 58,000 American dead, countless hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese dead and the bulging pockets of the war profiteers.

Bottom line, Cronkite was the best of his time. Like JFK, he had faults, but compared to anyone else in his generation and certainly anyone in THIS generation, he was a true professional. Could have been better? Hell yes. But Cronkite was just part of the game. Just a piece of the puzzle already started by the elite rich who gained their fortune in the industrial age and then took over this country...which they still control to this day. By that I mean the Rockefeller family, Rothschild family and of course the Bu$h family among others.

The press was controlled by the CIA through Operation Mockingbird and Cronkite had to deal with that situation the best he knew how. He wasn't perfect no doubt, but he also wasn't an out an out villain like those rich elite types that helped kill JFK because of the changes he hoped to make to the United States.

I could never imagine Cronkite EVER working for an operation like Fox News for instance. That "network" is embarrassing. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of that propaganda "news" source.
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby kenmurray » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:56 pm

I do believe that Cronkite was a Warren Commission supporter. His opposition to the Vietnam war had LBJ say to the effect that we lost Walter, we lost middle america. But compare to today's media guys like Matthews, O'really etc. I would take Walter if I had a choice compare to those guys.
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby kenmurray » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:59 pm

Bob, Joseph Goebbels would also be proud of one David Von Pein and his spewing propaganda on the JFK assassination.
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby Bob » Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:49 pm

kenmurray wrote:Bob, Joseph Goebbels would also be proud of one David Von Pein and his spewing propaganda on the JFK assassination.


No doubt. Von Pein "in the ass" and his ilk are just an extension of the disinformation machine that the MSM uses, both with the way the news is delivered, what news is delivered and when the news is delivered. The disinformation machine also makes sure that some real news is never talked about in the MSM...things like the Bu$h involvement in the assassination of JFK and events like 9/11. I would bet that less than 10% of the American population know about Operation Northwoods in 1962 (a similar plan to the events of 9/11 hatched by the neocons) or know that Prescott Bu$h was not only a Nazi sympathizer and investor, but also involved in a coup to overthrow FDR. The Bu$H family and those in the power elite help fund and support cowards like Von Pein, McAdams and Mack to keep people away from the real truth of 11/22/1963 and the REAL recent history in the United States.
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby ThomZajac » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:00 pm

Well, I think most of us agree on the big picture; very bad, secretive people are running the show (the wizards).

But I think the central question I'd like to propose is this: Were the 'wizards' pleased with Cronkite?

I say there were ecstastic. And in large part it was because he made a favorable impression with the likes of us (as well as the sheeple). The praises that you guys have been singing for him are for his style, not for his message- which was precisely the message of the wizards. (I'll have to look up his stance of the Viet Nam War, but I'd be surprised if his was a scathing critique, More likely he simply expressed the concern that perhaps the war needed to be rethought.)

I have long maintained that one's most dangerous enemy is an enemy that is not recognized as being the enemy. With FOXers, they are impossible to miss. But with Cronkite, well, he was the most trusted man in America! But that wasn't because he was rising up against the wizards, it was because of his style. And this greatly pleased the wizards.

One tactic for eliciting a desired response from a prisoner is first to have a bunch a really mean, angry men torture him. Then, a really nice, comforting man enters the scene, makes the prisoner comfortable, shares some good food and wine with the prisoner, talks in an easy going gentle manner, and asks again for the desired information.

That nice, comforting man, my friends, was Walter Cronkite. I can accept that he himself was not evil to the core, but he was the bagman for the bad guys. Did you guys watch that PBS Special? It was filled with lies, disinformation, key omissions, and started with the premise that Oswald shot JFK ("but did he have an accomplice?" ) It was horrible as horrible gets. And how to sell that shit? "We'll, let's get the most trusted man in America to narrate it."

Listen, I know I'm a bit of a righteous bastard on this point, but I do feel you are missing the boat on this in a big way. Again: CRONKITE WAS A POWERFUL TOOL USED BY THE RULING ELITE IN A MOST EFFECTIVE WAY. HE SERVED THEM, AND HE SERVED THEM EXCEEDINGLY WELL. HE WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE. HE WAS ONE OF THEM.
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby Bob » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:48 am

Thom...I understand your argument. It's well thought out and has some substance. You are smarter than the average California bear after all! :wink:

However, there will be plenty of time to debate about old Walter. I'm sure there will be more discussion on July 20th, the 40th anniversary of the first Apollo landing...if one believes it really happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_sWmD6NvMY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A9MA61kH5E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlvEGR1hhk8
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby ThomZajac » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:50 am

Nice links, Bob, brings back lots of memories.
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby ThomZajac » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:46 pm

Cronkite was, in 1968, a bit better on the Viet Nam War than I had given him credit for-

"The Vietcong did not win by a knockout [in the Tet Offensive], but neither did we. The referees of history may make it a draw. . . . We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders, both in Vietnam and Washington, to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds. . . .
For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. . . . To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past" -- Walter Cronkite, CBS Evening News, February 27, 1968.

I don't know how persistent he was on this matter, and his work of the JFK assassination was contemptible, but he does deserve some credit for the above.
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Re: Walter Cronkite Passes Away

Postby Bob » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:54 pm

An interesting story about the modern MSM and Walter...

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/ ... index.html
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