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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby Pasquale DiFabrizio » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:02 pm

Kathy Becket wrote:Thom and Katisha,

Thank you so much for your comments.

A forum is, or should be, a vehicle for the free exchange of ideas. Since I put my Gary Mack opinion here, I have been told that my opinions are strawmen, and that I am more or less, a victim of Lancer disinformation, that I am spreading it , and told to cram things "where the sun don't shine". Seriously, how is this conducive to any research?

For these reasons, I am not real excited about further posting any views I have because, I assume, the same will continue.



Would YOU continue? I don't think I want to.



Kathy

You probably have people upset over here because you're apologizing for Gary Mack without anything to say except that he's a nice guy and that there are people out there who respect him. You seem to have no regard for the reasons why we don't like him now. You can't even address the issue of Mack saying there is no hard evidence of a conspiracy.
Then you brought up how the Lancer forum or the Education Forum have "higher" standards. That's an arrogant thing to say. What makes them better? I would venture to say that this is one of the best forums regarding JFK that there is. We have very open minds over here. What we WON'T put up with silently is Gary Mack bulls*#t and bogus documentaries like Inside the Target Car. Then you wonder why Sara told you to stick it? LOL Okay.

I'll say this about other forums. If they're actually taking documentaries like Inside The Target Car seriously, then they're not for real. If they refuse to see Gary Mack for what he is, they're not for real either, and if you're listening to them, you're being duped.

Anyway, you're free to argue your points about James Files. Like I said, we will either clarify it for you or we won't.
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby Pasquale DiFabrizio » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:06 pm

saracarter766 wrote:oswald would have to drink 40 maybe 50 red bull energy drinks to run up to the sixth floor and then after that get 3 shots off and go back down to the 2 floor and remain calm.



lol my fellow JFK buffs just being a smartass there haha. :lol: :mrgreen:


Hey Sara!
Well, I see no hard evidence....oh, never mind! LMAO :lol:
Sorry, I had another Mack-the-Sack attack! :D
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby Bob » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:03 pm

Bob wrote:Kathy, things can get volatile and emotional on ALL forums. I have dropped in on a few other JFK forums just to peruse and I would rate this forum as being the most friendly. Gary Mack is a sore subject around here, but let's just put that aside for now. I would be interested as Thom says, to get your opinion about how the assassination happened. Who were the assassins or the assassin? Who were the conspirators...if any?


I still would like Kathy to answer the questions I posted above. Let's leave Mack and Discovery out of this for now. I will say this though...Pasquale is a VERY passionate AND knowledgable researcher. Unlike myself, he has been a member of other forums where he has been treated with mucho disrespect, and has seen his opinion get deleted or ganged up upon. We try to make this type of occurence rare here, but sometimes the subject matter gets very heated. Let me say this as well, I have been a researcher about the JFK and RFK assassination since I was in college, and I have learned a lot of information that I was not aware of in just the past 5 years. My overall take on things have also changed. I try to keep an open mind. I try to see the big picture. I also learned some very relevant things just in the past couple of months that I did not know about regarding the JFK assassination and Watergate by reading Family of Secrets by Russ Baker. Finally, before I came upon this site, I had never heard of James Files and I thought the Bu$hes were a patriotic family. I did not take Wim at just his word and his excellent site information, instead I researched that information on my own, as I was not a believer. I now concur on both of those matters after my own research, and so do a lot of people in this forum. Jim Marrs (Jim helped interview Files) and Robert Groden (Groden has this site as a link on his website) ALSO concur by the way. Jimmy Files also has two excellent referrals as well in Zack Shelton and Dangerous Dan Marvin. I would be thrilled to have references like that myself.
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby saracarter766 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:05 pm

kathy hun be thankful that all i said was shove it where the sun cause it could've been alot worse but i have so much respect for Bob and Wim that i won't disrespect them there two of finest people on the web.now if it offended you then i do apologize but i won't apologize for standing my ground and sticking to my guns i'm sorry but that is the way it is with me.



just be thankful that was a PG rated comment kathy. :|
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby Bob » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:37 pm

Thanks for keeping it tame Sara. I have been around colorful language for years, especially playing sports and when I was a bouncer. One time, I was working at a place that at night could bring some bikers in from time to time. I seemed to get along fine with them. One night, the place ended up with guys from two different gangs going at it. I was able to get the combatants outside and I was trying to keep things civil. The language I heard in that exchange made even me blush. :wink: Then the manager of the bar came out and tried to stick his two cents in. One of the bikers yelled to him that he was going to torch the bar and use him as a match! That got the manager inside in a hurry. Anyway, to make a long story short, I was able to keep the peace. Similar to my duties here. I realize that passions can run high here at times, but we all need to let everyone have their say, no matter how vehemently we might disagree. Debate is good...in all walks of life.
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby saracarter766 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:41 pm

your welcome you've been very nice to me and you have been a good friend so it would'nt be fair if i was disrespectful to you or wim. :D
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby ChristophMessner » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:41 am

Kathy Becket wrote: I have Inside the Target Car DVR'd, and wrote in my post that Gary puts a person at the fence, in the same place you put Files.
So why does Gary Mack still promote the LN-single bullet-theory while he believes in a second person behind the fence? Why does he not promote a big bronze statue of a shooter behind the fence with a big plate on it: "This is were many witnesses say at least one shot came from, what proves the WC's theory of LN wrong." ?

Why don't you American people do that by yourself and unload a truck of missing JFK books at the TSBD museum???
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby ChristophMessner » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:50 am

Bob wrote:
ChristophMessner wrote:Who is paying Gary Mack?


The disinformation machine. And part of that money comes from the Bu$h crime family. You know the people who give us assassinations, phony wars, drug running, money laundering, war profiteering, oil price gauging, big banking bullshit and LOTS of death. Money and threats go a long way in making people go to the dark side.

I believe so, too, Bob, but in this concrete case of the TSBDM a decent research and knowledge about those who finance this American-soul-clean-wash-institute is highly necessary. I mean, who really is it and from which pot do they pay how much? Gary Mack has a public obligation here to report openly to everybody.
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby ChristophMessner » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:52 am

saracarter766 wrote:Bob i love how you tell it straight up. :mrgreen:
I like your way of telling straight up, too, Sara, whether you believe it or not.
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby dankbaar » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:29 am

If James Files were as good a hoaxer as Gary Mack, Kathy would believe Files.

Problem is that not everything that Files says is plausible in the mind of Kathy.

Like being asked 2 hours before the assassination to be Nicoletti's backup, like biting his shell casing, like spending time with Lee Oswald the week prior.

If Files would have deviated from the truth as he knows it, Kathy would probably have less of a problem. That's because lots of people have been groomed by folks like Gary Mack to accept what is plausible or not regarding the assassination. Therefore they reject evidence outside Gary's fabricated box.

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Byt the way, Gary Mack doesn't put anyone on the knoll. Inside the target car is a propaganda piece attempting to debunk the fact there was a shot from the grassy knoll. His position is still that the single bullet theory is possible, has never been debunked and remains the most likely option. This is a deliberate lie, willfully told. For Gary Mack knows about the Ironclad evidence that no bullet traversed through JFK's upper torso.
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby Pasquale DiFabrizio » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:05 am

I would just like to add that I don't think Gary Mack put a knoll shooter in the same place as James Files said he was. The supposed Badgeman location is not where Files said he was, and I don't believe it's where the House Select Committee on Assassination placed the shot from the knoll.

It's my understanding that the acoustic evidence, as well as the Nix Film, in addition to Files' statement place him to the right of the tree...exactly where the movement in the Nix film is.
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby Bob » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:06 pm

ChristophMessner wrote:
Bob wrote:
ChristophMessner wrote:Who is paying Gary Mack?


The disinformation machine. And part of that money comes from the Bu$h crime family. You know the people who give us assassinations, phony wars, drug running, money laundering, war profiteering, oil price gauging, big banking bullshit and LOTS of death. Money and threats go a long way in making people go to the dark side.

I believe so, too, Bob, but in this concrete case of the TSBDM a decent research and knowledge about those who finance this American-soul-clean-wash-institute is highly necessary. I mean, who really is it and from which pot do they pay how much? Gary Mack has a public obligation here to report openly to everybody.


The museum that Mack runs is very similar to the "donors" that donated $100 million to the George W. Bu$h library in Dallas. They are allowed to remain anonymous. But it's a fair assumption that they belong to industries like the Military Industrial Complex, BIG oil, BIG banking and folks like that who want to keep the disinformation flowing while the sheeple shuffle along.
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby Jsnow915 » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:31 pm

I have corresponded with Gary Mack...he was somewhat abrasive in his answers,but hey,how would you react if you were being personally attacked,I know I wouldn't be so kind...from what I got from him is this...he thinks there is a conspiracy but only accepts tangible evidence of one...when I get a chance,I will post his responses.
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby saracarter766 » Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:53 pm

as far as gary mack being personally attacked he brings that all on himself sorry Jsnow915 but that's just the way it is i'm not gonna feel sorry for him he is well deserving of it. :mrgreen:



the things i have said about gary mack i am not sorry for. i won't apologize for it either the man just makes me wanna puke to be quite honest with you.


however Jsnow915 i do respect your opinion.


it's like that saying goes what goes around comes around. :mrgreen:
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Re: Gary Mack and his "hard evidence"

Postby Bob » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:31 pm

Some people that sell out and go 180 degrees with their opinions can live with themselves. Others have trouble coping with what they have done. Money is certainly part of the equation in terms of dealing with the guilt. However, Judas got 30 silver pieces and he still ended up hanging himself. I too, have absolutely zero sympathy for Mack. He made his own bed and now he has to sleep in it.
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